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Is the foundation bolted? Yes. But………….(you knew there had to be a “but”)

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Home Inspector with Charles Buell Inspections Inc.

Very rotten support post     In my many years as a builder----and in my more recent incarnation as a Seattle Home Inspector-----something that I have noticed about houses is that they can be very forgiving structurally.  Complete structural failure of a component is sometimes difficult to arrange.  Other times, with the requisite conditions, we will see the weekend warrior’s deck go all kittywampus in the back yard----with the beer keg rolling down the street as the ambulance pulls into the driveway.

     How does the house know which rules to break and which ones not to break?

     Take foundation bolting for example.  It is a question I get asked often----is the house bolted to the foundation?  Over the course my building career I have seen foundation bolting go from ½” bolts, 6-8 feet apart, with no washers under the nuts, to 5/8” bolts, every four feet, with 2” square-plate washers under the nuts.  In addition to this bolting are all manner of seismic strapping and hold-down bracketss with bolts as big as 1-1/8” in diameter.  And this is in residential construction----commercial is even more extensive.

     All of this is fine and dandy and will likely help your house do very well in seismic activity up to a 7 or a little higher on the Richter scale.  After that, all bets are off supposedly----but still the amount of damage would have to be somewhat less.

     Again I ask, “How does the house know which rules to break and which ones not to break?

     You see, the other day, I inspected a house that was over 30 years old.  Its age tells me that it has been through at least two fairly major earthquakes in this region-----including the 2001 Nisqually Quake.  The house had no visible damage and yet the foundation bolting---while present----looked like the following picture.

Really poor foundation bolting

     This bolting is almost worse than no bolting at all----as the sill plates are nearly completely severed every 6 feet.

     So the insurance company wants to know if the house is bolted.  Any inspector would be “nuts” to say that this foundation is “bolted” wouldn’t they?  And yet the house is doing fine after 30 years and is “standing the test of time.”

     The house has broken the “rules” and is doing fine.  Keeping houses on their foundations is not restricted to or dependent on code requirements for bolting.  There are many older homes in Seattle that are not bolted to their foundations at all and have little or no seismic damage going back to earthquakes even stronger than any this house wiggled through.

     For example there was a method of pouring foundations in this area, that used to be very common, where the bottom plate of the wall was put right in the forms so that when the concrete was poured it actually came up higher on the plate all the way around the inside of the foundation.  This created an installation where the wood walls were naturally locked in place laterally by the concrete wall itself.

Sill plate poured into foundation     The reason this 30 year old house has done so well is because of the many “steps” in the foundation.  Stepping the foundation aids in interlocking the foundation and wood walls, thus restricting movement laterally.  If we take the same house with a uniform foundation---with no steps-----and did the same type of bolting as in the second picture, the house would likely not fare as well.

     As you can see, answering the seemingly simple question of whether the foundation is bolted or not does not really provide much in the way real information to anyone. 

     How the house is performing in relation to its age and methods of bolting is much more useful information to provide.

 

Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector

 

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Richard Weisser
Richard Weisser Realty - Newnan, GA
Richard Weisser Retired Real Estate Professional

Charles...

We don't have much seismic activity is our area, but we are in tornado alley and thus secure foundation ties are essential to keeping the house from moving. Great explanation!

Aug 17, 2010 01:21 AM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Charles, standing the test of time should have some merit. How much time will it stand though. Good explanation. Thanks.

Aug 17, 2010 02:06 AM
Home Loan Search.Online
Home Loan Search Online - Newnan, GA

I haven't seen anything like that around here, but then again I don't look at too many foundations. Michael at #13, that was hilarious!

Aug 17, 2010 02:28 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Terry, yes, that happens too-----much easier to deal with than this though :)

Chris, yes as bad as the first picture looks it was a relatively simple fix.

David, that sounds about right

Claudette, pictures are my only note-taking tool----I rarely have to get out my pen and write something down.

Richard, in some ways keeping houses held down for tornadoes is more difficult than dealing with earthquakes

Michael, the great unknown question :)

Darrell, I don't think I have ever seen anyone screw up bolting quite as bad as this.

Aug 17, 2010 03:20 AM
Amy Law
Alliance Properties - Crosby, TX

I find this subject facinating because it points out how absolutely different building practices are from one region to another, and why. Here in Houston, yes, we worry about hurricanes, but that mostly affects how we attach the roof, (with hurricane clips). What is actually a much bigger issue is we have to worry about is shifting soil, due to our lack of rock understructure with the subservice soil, (which we call "gumbo clay"). We must build our foundations to hold up to the expansions and shrinking of the clay. Yet still, the most common and most expensive issue a homeowner will have around here is a broken slab that requires expensive repairs to re-level the house.

I am working with many buyers that are relocating to Houston because of jobs. I must keep the differences of building practices in mind. Actually, the one that shocks most people is that we don't do basements in Houston do to the nature of the clay substructure and the high water tables. When they ask where the basement is I point up and say, we have aggie basements around here. (referring to the attic).

Aug 17, 2010 03:59 AM
COMPASS PALM SPRINGS | Stewart Penn
COMPASS - Palm Springs, CA
COMPASS Palm Springs - Broker Associate

It never ceases to amaze me what is discovered during the property inspection.

Aug 17, 2010 04:49 AM
Gabrielle Nemes
RE/MAX Realty South - Tumwater, WA
206.300.8421, S King & Pierce County RE Advocate

I learn something from you on every post! Thanks for the education!

Aug 17, 2010 05:10 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Amy, you are so right----expansive clays can be some of the most difficult site conditions to deal with.

Stewart----makes for never a dull moment as an inspector----and the agents that have to deal with what we find :)

Gabrielle, glad you find them useful

Aug 17, 2010 05:25 AM
Brian Persons
Brian Persons Front Range Home Inspections - Greeley, CO
Certified Master Inspector/Associate Broker

Expansive clay and settling are a big concern in my neck of the woods. "Floating walls" is the norm and sometimes that is not enough.

Aug 17, 2010 05:53 AM
Peter Doane
Realty Check Inspection Service - Olympia, WA
Olympia Wa Home Inspector

Charles,

As always, good "stuff" Bro!

Aug 17, 2010 06:51 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Brian, are you talking about "floating slabs?"  I hear they are pretty effective.

Peter, thanks---nice to see you back playing in the rain :)

Aug 17, 2010 06:59 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Boy...whatever is causing those problems sure eats well..........

Aug 17, 2010 09:41 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Richie, the first photo is just good ole decay/rot

Aug 17, 2010 06:23 PM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Mr Charles,

As a recording star, used to being pampered, I would have bolted from that crawling space.

Wheatloaf, Nutsy's cousin

Aug 19, 2010 07:17 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Charles,

It amazing me how two areas- Western  Wa and Eastern Wa- can have such differences and we are only 150 to 200 miles apart. Still need bolts though! I was in a new home and could not see one bolt. My guess was they where buried under the bottom plate, but I could not verify. Always fun in crawlspaces.

Love the first post photo, Mr Rotty go at it again.

 

Don

Aug 20, 2010 01:32 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Wheatforbrains---I imagine you would

Don, those doulbe plates can be as useless as the one I pictured.

Aug 20, 2010 08:20 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

So is it a problem? As an inspector yes it most certainly is. As an observer no, like you say the house and structure are functioning. BUT there is no need to tempt the fickle finger of fate. The house could be the next lucky lottery winner. It should be repaired.

Aug 25, 2010 01:39 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jim, certainly not my job to say it is NOT a problem----certainly should be repaired.

Aug 25, 2010 04:14 AM
Bruce Breedlove
Avalon Inspection Services - Colorado Springs, CO

That is some really good information but it brings up an interesting dilemma home inspectors face. The inspector can report a structural concern (like the severely notched bottom plate shown in your photo) but he may be criticised (usually by the agents or the seller) because the component has not failed. "It is still working so it is not a problem." But to those of us who understand the structure we know the component is likely to fail when loaded under the right conditions (e.g., an earthquake).

To make an analogy, what if a mechanic checked the driver's air bag in a used car you are considering buying and stated the bag was installed incorrectly and may not deploy in a serious crash. The used car salesman may waive his arms and scream that the air bag has not failed and the cover over the air bag looks good so there is no problem. Would you ignore the mechanic's advice or request the air bag be repaired?

Oct 10, 2010 10:53 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Bruce, it is all a function of scale I guess when it comes to defining "working."  The roof attachment worked until that Category 5 hit :)

Oct 10, 2010 11:16 AM