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The real estate board of New York annouced yesterday that it is developing a web portal that will incorporate all it's members listings in a public website. REBNY is the major real estate board in New York that all the major brokerages 318 firms are members but it is not an MLS. Member firms cooperate. There are brokers in NYC that don't belong to REBNY or MANAR.(The Manhattan Association of Realtors®)

 

The Manhattan Association of REALTORS® with 30 members and 25% of the listings is the only MLS in Manhattan already has a public website, it's members have IDX and share each others listings on their websites. The members share closed sales data. MANAR was formed because some REBNY members never wanted to share data.

It was my company Coldwell Banker Hunt Kennedy and our President David Michonski that brought The National Association of REALTORS® to Manhattan 5 years ago. The presence of MANAR a REALTOR® organization with a national code of ethics in Manhattan helped to push REBNY to have more cooperation and rules between it's broker members including the 72 hour rule before having to send listing data to cooperating brokers and mandatory ethics training.

There has been talk in the industry about why REBNY is annoucing this. Some say it's to stop other websites such as Trulia and NYTimes Online. I really doubt that. REBNY members paid to create NYTOnline. There has always been politics in the Manhattan Market. The major firms never wanted an MLS unless they owned it. At one point several years ago Barbara Corcoran tried to start an MLS.

I think the U.S. Justice Department and the FTC is much more of a concern to REBNY than Trulia.   IMHO.

REBNY has always maintained that it is not an MLS because there is no centralized database only members share through RLS.

Below is the press release from REBNY

REBNY to Develop Groundbreaking Home Listing Web Portal

Comprehensive Listing of NYC Homes to be Made Available to Public for First Time

NEW YORK, Nov. 1, 2006 – The process of buying a home in New York will take a giant leap forward early next year when the Real Estate Board of New York (REBNY) launches an historic new service that will provide the first comprehensive Web-based, user-friendly searchable database of residential properties in New York City.

REBNY has begun development of a Web portal that will incorporate its members’ listings and make the as yet unnamed service available to the general public free of charge. The organization’s size, scope and nature enable it to bring the collective knowledge and expertise of its more than 300 member brokerages together to create a site that will make home buying easier and save time for buyers, sellers and brokers alike. The site also will provide access to rental properties.

"Those looking for a home in New York city will soon have one tool that enables them to search and browse listings in the most comprehensive database of residential properties on the market," said REBNY President Steven Spinola. "Accurate and current exclusive listings of the most active and professional firms in the city will be available."

Currently, member brokers share their residential listings through the REBNY Listing Service (RLS). The RLS increases accessibility to the residential marketplace by providing REBNY brokers – representing buyers, sellers and renters – access to exclusive listings within three days of receiving them and helps maximize exposure for properties.

"The technology for the system already is in operation through REBNY’s RLS," said Spinola. "Creating an easy-to-use interface for the typically more than 10,000 listings will put the comprehensive data at the public’s fingertips."

The service will provide New York homebuyers with a useful tool that arms consumers with a wealth of valuable information about prices for comparable homes. Visitors to the portal will be able to specify the characteristics of their ideal home, such as number of bedrooms and bathrooms, location, price and other amenities. The portal would then generate a list of homes meeting the specified criteria and supply broker contacts for each.

Development of the portal has been approved by REBNY’s Residential Board of Directors. REBNY residential member firms include, Bellmarc Realty, Brown Harris Stevens, Citi-Habitats, the Corcoran Group, Halstead Property, Prudential Douglas Elliman, Stribling & Associates, Warburg Realty Partnership, and 309 additional firms.

"This is a true first for New York’s residential real estate market," said Frederick Peters of Warburg Realty Partnership, who is co-chair of REBNY’s Residential Board of Directors. "Not only is this great news for consumers, but it will enable brokers to provide a higher level of service to their selling customers and serve their buying customers in a more efficient and convenient manner."

REBNY expects to have the portal ready for release to the public by the early 2007 home buying season.

The Real Estate Board of New York is the city’s leading real estate trade association with more than 11,000 members. REBNY represents major commercial and residential property owners and builders, brokers and managers, banks, financial service companies, utilities, attorneys, architects, contractors and other individuals and institutions professionally interested in the city’s real estate. REBNY is involved incrucial municipal matters including tax policy, city planning and zoning, rental conditions, land use policy, building codes and legislation. In addition, REBNY publishes reports providing indicators of market prices for both the residential and commercial sectors.

 

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Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty
Mitchell - This move doesn't surprise me.  We're seeing more and more information being made available directly to consumers - which I believe is the way of the future of real estate.
Nov 02, 2006 10:55 PM
Michael Roberts
Real Estate Professionals of Glynn - Saint Simons Island, GA

I agree with Tony Mitchell.  It is not only the wave of the future it is happening right now.  The Georgia MLS and even our Local MLS here in Glynn County Georiga share the majority of property infomration with the public.  I say majority as they do not disclose the names of the sellers, a chronology of reductions or increases or term of listing.  But all other information that may induce a buyer to contact the listing agent or any agent is included. 

I certainly a glad not to be part of your NY market.  Sounds like to me that Greed is King with no one sharing info.  Don't get me wrong I am all about money.  But to service my clients I need the property exposoded to as may folks as possible and to provide the information to other agents as well as the public only strenghtens my position.  I might loose half of the total commission through a co-broered sale but hey, half is better than losing the lisitng and the half.  That's just my philosophy.

Nov 03, 2006 01:06 AM
Chris Tesch
RE/MAX Bryan-College Station - College Station, TX
College Station, Texas Real Estate


An informed client is a agents best client. I want my clients (especially my sellers) to be able to access the information on their own.  I send them regular updates, but it truly helps to be able to have it on a public format

Nov 03, 2006 01:35 AM
Bill French
MyST Technology Partners - Dillon, CO

This is a really interesting thread - I see agents commenting in favor of disintermediation. This is exactly the opposite reaction I expected.

Nov 03, 2006 01:42 AM
joanne Douglas
Terrie O'Connor Realtors - Ridgewood, NJ
None of these comments are from folks in NY --- I would be curious to see how the NY Realtors view this and what they know about the actual reason for this long overdue and drastic change from the status quo.  I'm sure there's a Lot more to this.  We as realtors want the public to be informed but we know that all comes with a price, whether it's on a personal website or dues paid to a huge MLS service or dues paid to a local board --- what's the price that will be paid here and who is paying that price?  
Nov 03, 2006 01:59 AM
Kaushik Sirkar
Call Realty, Inc. - Chandler, AZ
What is the endstate?  I have friends who have commented "Being a realtor is just a scam; 6% for doing nothing.  There should just be a website with all homes listed for the public to pick and choose".  Obviously, I disagree with this.  We do lots of things, namely understand the market's current state, where it has been and hopefully have some insight into where it is going.  We make it so that only qualified (a good chunk of the time) buyers see a house.  We understand the process and the paperwork.  But lots of regular folks don't see this.
Nov 03, 2006 06:34 AM
Ann Guy
NA - Allentown, PA

In the Lehigh Valley (Pennsylvania), the MLS is available to the public.  I hate to admit that I am shocked that it not that way accross the board.

Nov 03, 2006 06:55 AM
Bill French
MyST Technology Partners - Dillon, CO

Okay - take this phrase...

"Being a realtor is just a scam; 6% for doing nothing.  There should just be a website with all homes listed for the public to pick and choose."

And TiVo back to 1998 when we saw this phrase...

"Being a travel agent is just a scam; 6% for doing nothing.  There should just be a website with all flights listed for the public to pick and choose."

  • Obviously, I disagree with this. (yep, travel agents disagreed too)
  • We do lots of things, namely understand the market's current state, where it has been and hopefully have some insight into where it is going. (same argument - travel agents did lots of things too)
  • We make it so that only qualified (a good chunk of the time) buyers see a house. (hmmm, no comment)
  • We understand the process and the paperwork. (travel agents argued on this point as well)

I'm not trying to shoot holes in your industry or what it really means to disintermediate MLS data - these are simply observed parallels.

Whether these are fair assertions made by home puyers and sellers is an argument I hope to see, but I have no qualifications for rendering an opinion either way. But it seems to me that the marketplace is suggesting the high transaction costs associated with real estate trade be tamed a bit.

Many people still use travel agents to this day, but I get the feeling there was a significant consolidation in that industry when the once private data become public.

Nov 03, 2006 07:07 AM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn

Thank you all for your comments.

Manhattan real estate has always been an anomaly. The public has always had pretty much the same access to data as brokers. In Manhattan each broker firm has their own proprietary information. It has never been shared or is in a central database. 5 years ago MANAR was formed but MANAR only has a very small portion of the listings in Manhattan primarily from mid sized and boutique firms and it's listings are public.

I believe in transparency and openness. I consider myself a new breed of Broker in Manhattan, embracing new ideas and technologies, working with empowered consumers and pro-active clients and customers.

The database that I currently use is called Online Residential. OLR.com it has feeds from MANAR, REBNY and all the non member firms and FSBOS. It has always been available for public use.

One of my first blogs I wrote back in August was about the new bill that was signed into law by the governor that would make sale prices of coops public and would be displayed on the NYC public website NYC ACRIS Every sale price of real estate in NYC is public. I am all for this transparency.

By REBNY having a website for the public does not dis-intermediate but reinforces what most real estate agents have always been taught. Get the listings. This web portal gives REBNY exclusive listing agents another vehicle to reach direct buyers besides their broker's website. My listings also go on REALTOR.com because I am a Realtor and numerous websites.

New Yorkers are not looking to dis-intermediate. They love paying people to do things for them. They pay people for many things that they can do themselves. They pay to have their laundry folded, they pay to have their dogs walked, they pay nannies, pay doormen to get cabs, accountants to do taxes and real estate brokers to sell their homes. 

Selling a home is not an easy task. Most people prefer to have a broker do it for them.

 

Nov 03, 2006 10:55 AM
Bill French
MyST Technology Partners - Dillon, CO

Mitchell - 

"Selling a home is not an easy task. Most people prefer to have a broker do it for them."

This, I agree with. It's likely to be much harder than it looks. I'm just an ordinary consumer when it comes to real estate buying and selling. But I'm also aware that there are aspects of transactions that are foreign to me, and there are potential pitfalls. As such, I'm not likely to "go it alone" when it comes to selling my home. However, I am likely to do some of the tasks associated with buying my next home. It doesn't matter what those tasks are for this conversation - suffice it to say that there are slivers of activity that I might be more qualified to do than a real estate agent, and at less cost. Hold that thought...

Transparency and Disintermediation 

There are other market parallels that have survived in the face of rampant transparency and [some] disintermediation. Many people still have stock brokers, some people still pay slightly more to have a travel professional. But in these cases [where transparency has reshaped entire industries], one thing is abundantly clear - historical transaction costs have fallen. It doesn't mean stocks or travels costs less - it just means market topologies have been reshaped; certain aspects of industries that were once very relevant, are now irrelevant.

But it's important to note that the Internet's ability to rapidly dis-intermediate entire business sectors is really just a capability that may or may not be a good idea for any given market. The outcome (or forecast outcome) - i.e., what may happen because of this capability and why transparency leads to irrelevance - is the more important aspect that the real estate industry should pay attention to.

Transparency is no Guarantee of Disintermediation

Transparency *may* lead to disintermediation, but it may not; it depends on how consumers react to the pervasive availability of information in markets where the information has traditionally been inaccessible. My view is that the degree with which disintermediation actually impacts any business segment has little to do with how transparent the information becomes, and mostly to do with how irrelevant business providers become under the new light cast through increased transparency.

Disclaimer - I'm certainly not qualified to predict what will happen in real estate, but I have a hunch that there are two dimensions of transparency that may each create irrelevance independently and to different degrees.

  1. The pervasive access to information relating to the selling of a home;
  2. The pervasive access to information relating to the buying of a home;

Unlike say the travel industry, we consume airline seats for a specific period of time. However, we rarely sell an airline seat -- save the occasional bump in exchange for some economic advantage. Stocks, on the other hand, are more like real estate - we buy them and sell them. And even in this multi-dimensional market of activity, the stock buying and selling industry has been significantly reshaped.

"New Yorkers are not looking to dis-intermediate."

I agree with this comment as well - no consumer wants to dis-intermediate. But all consumers want to optimize wealth which is synonymous with controlling costs. Regardless of how Mitchell shapes this statement, transaction costs will probably fall - the only question remaining - who will benefit?

The real estate industry should not confuse the threat of disintermediation with the risk of becoming irrelevant to it's customers. While your industry may seem like it's under attack by companies like Google, Trulia, and Zillow, these are simply artifacts of market forces that are attempting to seek lower transaction costs. Some of these ideas will fail, and some will succeed. But as I said earlier, transaction costs will most certainly fall - not because consumers believe you are overcharging them - but because they can be achieved at lower cost. The businesses that manifest ways to lower transaction costs will be the likely benefactors, just as the businesses that create (or sustain) relevance given the new market topology will also emerge as highly competitive leaders.

I believe that real estate's challenge is to identify it's own future relevance given the likelihood that greater information transparency will reshape some (perhaps many) of the present transaction inefficiencies. Could the answer be that simple? ;-)

Nov 04, 2006 02:45 AM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn

Bill,

I agree there will be changes in the real estate industry. There will be different and new business models. I might even start one myself :-) The consumer will have more options. I beleive our future relevance will be our relationships and expertise rather than our data. Information will and should be public.

I wrote a blog about the future of real estate a while ago.

Nov 04, 2006 04:10 AM
Stefani Orme Rutledge
RE/MAX Gold Elite - Benicia, CA
Wave of the future? Where are we headed? Lets be ready for what the consumer wants next! I still believe that we provide a vital service to our clients every time they buy or sell property!
May 17, 2007 01:24 PM
Stephen M. Wigg
http://4114Info.com - Omaha, NE
4114Info.com

We call it the "Shopping Mall Approach." Okay, WAV group calls it that in their analysis of HAR.com, one of the most successful Consumer MLS Websites in the U.S. today. Yes, it's where the market is heading and why not? I want to know where the open houses are in a certain area within my criteria. Why in the world would I want to go to 5 places to get that information? We're ready to make the presentation in our hometown and then going where we can as fast as we can before the big-boys come a knocking.

Feb 17, 2009 09:05 AM
Gary Steuernagel ASSOC. BROKER, ABR, CRB
Keller Williams Southwest - Sugar Land, TX

In Houston we live with HAR.com and I would never go back to limited information to the public. HAR.com allows me to be more productive so I'm not wasting time going to homes that my clients "might be interested in".  When we go out looking at homes we are looking at ones my clients have already put on their short list.  Since we are required to post a minimum of 6 pictures and a maximum of 16 plus one virtual tour, my clients are informned consumers from day one.  It puts the pressure on me to be a professional and actually bring real value to my clients.  The market isn't headed this way, it is already there and is the "norm" that other MLS's are expected to meet by consumers.  We no longer merely "find property", we have to be able to intelligently analyze data, understand trends, tie it into financing issues, and be able to negotiate a contract to our clients advantage and then follow through with inspections and all of nuances of the transaction.  Finding the house is actually a small part of our job.

Apr 21, 2009 04:50 AM