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Managing Real Estate Broker with Howard Hanna Rand Realty License # 49FA1074963

J Philip Real Estate gets rosy results for our clients!We got word last week that a past client's loan modification was approved. As happy and relieved as they were, my beleaguered clients had to swallow a rough pill: on the terms of the approved loan modification, their mortgage payment would be several hundred dollars higher than their original payment. 

It had been a long process. First, they had a job loss which resulted in their initial default. They were in arrears for almost a year before they could overcome the shock and paralysis and make any headway on a loan modification. All the while they worked like dogs at anything they could find before thankfully re entering the workforce. The trial payments, which were several hundred dollars less then their original payment, started immediately on application to the HAMP process.

It took 10 more months, and they made their trial payments religiously. They were issued a denial once because they allegedly missed payment, which the court referee threw back after given proof all payments were in fact made on time. When the approval came through, it was the same rate and term, and the arrearage was added to the principle, resulting in a higher payment than even their original loan. The bank basically negatively amortized the loan and hit the reset button. 

In their case, they were in a take it or leave it situation; ironically, getting a better job knocked them out of the HAMP program, and the modification was due to the lender's largess, not the government's. Since their issue was an inability to write a check for tens of thousands (50k+) of dollars to reinstate and not the amount of their payment, they are going to take it. The only issue they'll have going forward is if they lose a job again, but that makes them no different than anyone else. 

A few observations:

  • Even for sophisticated, educated people with college degrees, the loan mod process is complicated and grueling. 
  • Bank staff does little to make the process understandable, probably because in large part the staff themselves don't get it. 
  • If the red tape and vagaries are this much of an ordeal for educated professionals, it must be UberHell for people who aren't. 
  • It is no wonder the re-default rate is so high. People stagger across the finish line and collapse, even in the best of scenarios. 

On the whole in this case however, my people will not lose their house. Disaster was averted. This is one listing I am glad to not get. 

Greg Nino
RE/MAX Compass - Houston, TX
Houston, Texas

What a neat concept! Lose your job? Out of money? Let the federal gov't step in, bend you over and increase your mortgage payment.. all the while making it so complicated, unrealistic and far fetcheched that Alan Greenspan is just as confused about this as he was the Wall Street Scam with securites.

BARF!

Sep 08, 2010 05:18 AM
Brian Bean
The Dream Big Team at Better Homes and Gardens Real Estate Champions - Riverside, CA
Homeowner Advocate, Dream Big Team, S.Calif

Basically, they got a forebearance and are making up the missed payments. Your client is the rare exception ... able to now make the payment, and willing to do so. This is the face of loan modifications. Lengthy, convoluted processes with no apparent set of rules. Only 1 in 5 mods convert from trial program to permanent. And 3 out of 4 of those redefault within a year. Less than 1 percent of permanent loan mods include principal reduction. The banks don't want to do them because it simply delays the inevitable. Too many homeowners stay in loan-mod land for too long, and when the rejection comes, it's often too late to short sale the property. Loan mods are a myth.

At least your clients got to keep their house. Good for them!

Sep 08, 2010 05:52 AM
Eddie Brown
Eddie Brown ~ FM Realty a Long & Foster Company/ Raleigh NC - Raleigh, NC

I think the process has been stream-lined somewhat for most large institutions...I have been through several with my associates and it seems the rules and paperwork always change mid-stream. One client had to turn in paperwork 3 times over a 14 month period only to be denied, The Reason: they were current on their mortgage. This was a property that appraised out at $555,000 with a mortgage balance of $614,000...

Sep 08, 2010 06:23 AM
Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

Talked with a friend the other day, trying to go through modification process after losing employment.  Have had to send in same documentation 3-5 times.  Bank says it didn't get one piece of paperwork, though admit they have another that was sent in same batch.  Then, when supervisor checks papers are there, only to get shuffled to someone else the next month with request for the same documents again.  Also seems to be confusion as to where they are supposed to contact bank -- customer service, or modification center -- documents sent out change every month or so.

Sep 08, 2010 06:50 AM
J. Philip Faranda
Howard Hanna Rand Realty - Yorktown Heights, NY
Associate Broker / Office Manager

Eddie- This was Bank Of America. Streamlined it wasn't. 

Brian, yes, it was nothing more than a forbearance. 

Greg- Government solutions are oxymoronic. And, yes, nauseating. 

 

Sep 08, 2010 06:50 AM
Keisha Hosea- KASIHomes.com
KASI Homes - Chino Hills, CA
Real Estate Solutions For Real People

Phil, I hate to say it but I agree with Deborah. This story plays again over and over with different characters.

Sep 08, 2010 09:28 AM
Irene Kennedy Realtor® in Northwestern NJ
Weichert - Lopatcong, NJ

Phil,

I had folks with a similar situation and they are delighted to be keeping the home they love. They are again walking tall.  Here's hoping that both parties experience full employment and can continue to regularly pay their mortgages!

Sep 08, 2010 09:34 AM
Shari Posey
Berkshire Hathaway HSCP - Long Beach, CA

I've seen lots of modifications where the new payment is higher than the old payment. All the numbers that fly around about the number of successful modifications banks are doing include these ridiculous modifications that increase the payments. We will never know how many modifications are given with lower payments because it's just not great PR. In my experience I see about 3 out of 10 getting significantly lower payments.

Sep 08, 2010 09:55 AM
Mara Hawks
First Realty Auburn - Auburn, AL
Inactive-2012 REALTOR - Homes for Sale Auburn Real Estate, AL

I am so appreciative of your observations. I've maintained more clarity, working with others, than I can in dealing with my own property, soon to foreclose. It's been a 20-month, grueling, BAC maze that led nowhere, even AFTER their approval & notarized paperwork a year ago...[oops! that just didn't happen!]. I've finally realized that it's the blind leading the blind, not having a trained staff---but who can understand the nonsense anyway?  Thank you for sharing this. It helps to clear my head!

 

Sep 08, 2010 12:20 PM
Eric Michael
Remerica Integrity, Realtors®, Northville, MI - Livonia, MI
Metro Detroit Real Estate Professional 734.564.1519

For the most part, loan mods are a joke. I called to inquire about mine, just for fun. Long story short, they said sure, we can help you out. My 5.75% rate would go down to 5%, saving me about $165/ month. He said I should be very happy about this. I asked more questions, like, is an appraisal needed? (yes) What are my costs? (only about $52-5400) Escrow, I don't have one now? (yes, you'll need to set one up). All of this boiled down to about $10,000 out of pocket for a $165/month savings. That is until I asked about PMI. He was silent. He said it would only be about $100/month or so. I told him i'd keep my loan just the way it is.

Sep 08, 2010 12:56 PM
William James Walton Sr.
WEICHERT, REALTORS® - Briotti Group - Waterbury, CT
Greater Waterbury Real Estate

Philip - this sounds similar to my situation last year in many ways. Accepted the loan modification, no HAMP in place at all at the time, and higher payments. Up until this year, perfectly fine, but now with less money to work with each month, totally unacceptable. So back we go. Oh, well.

Sep 08, 2010 03:20 PM
Tom Burris
NMLS# 335055 - Baton Rouge, LA
Texas/Louisiana Mortgage Pro - 13 YRS Experience

Lucky folks.

They 'Stay & No Paid' but got to keep their home in the end.

 

Sep 08, 2010 04:20 PM
Tricia Houston
Lending Maven Mortgage - Denver, Colorado - Highlands Ranch, CO

I do these every day and I still do NOT understand how the bank thinks this makes ANY sense???

Sep 08, 2010 04:38 PM
Kim Boekholder Utah Real Estate/ PECO
Results Real Estate 801.580.5624 - Draper, UT
Broker Results Real Estate/Leasing Specialist PECO

Things just keep getting tougher, tighter and more frustrating.  I hope and pray your home owners are able to stay and make it work.

Sep 08, 2010 05:03 PM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

I guess it's fortunate that your clients get to keep their home but so unfortunate that it had to happen this way.

Sep 08, 2010 05:23 PM
Ryan Case
SCA Real Estate - Anaheim, CA
877-828-0710

Wow! The banks need to get better standards and rules on loan mods!

Sep 08, 2010 06:37 PM
J. Philip Faranda
Howard Hanna Rand Realty - Yorktown Heights, NY
Associate Broker / Office Manager

Folks- 

THANK YOU for all your comments, emails, subscriptions and associations. I will post more responses tomorrow. Good night!

Sep 08, 2010 06:39 PM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

JPF:

This subject is baffling because it is solvable, yet the powers that be..... let it stay broken or incompetent. Why? The stats are in on how inefficient the terms and the systems are. Unfortunately, this tells us that other stats exist that point the way to failure of these programs down the line. That is probably why they just trudge along in the Grey area......thank you

Sep 09, 2010 04:21 AM
Damon Gettier
Damon Gettier & Associates, REALTORS- Roanoke Va Short Sale Expert - Roanoke, VA
Broker/Owner ABRM, GRI, CDPE

It is good to hear that sometimes the home owner actually wins.....or sort of wins.  It would be nice if banks simply used common sense.

Sep 09, 2010 12:39 PM
Dave Halpern
Dave Halpern Real Estate Agent, Inc., Louisville, KY (502) 664-7827 - Louisville, KY
Louisville Short Sale Expert

Years later, after kicking the can down the road with loan modifications, many homeowners are finding that they are still woefully upside down on their mortgage. Many short sales today are loans that were modified in the past.

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