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DON'T BLAME THE APPRAISER FOR PROPERTY NOT COMPING OUT... It is not always their fault

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Real Estate Agent with Johnson Real Estate, Inc. RES.0761759

Don't blame the appraiser for property not comping out...I've come to realize lately that when a property does NOT appraise, it is NOT always the fault of the appraiser.

I have a client that is looking to purchase a condo, and knowing that she has to ask for a closing credit has been coming in at full asking price in order to make this work with the seller.  So wouldn't you think that if a condo is being offered at $138,000 and you come in at that price with asking $3,000 in a closing credit, that the actual offering price of $135,000 would fly?  Well, it didn't... again. Why?  It didn't appraise.

Once again we got the appraisal back and it came way under asking price... This time it was at $121,000.00, yes $17,000 under asking.... ON A CONDO.

Now I ask you, if I can go online and in less than 10 minutes come up with a CMA for this unit with a price of $124,000, why would the listing agent come in so much higher?

I informed my client from the beginning that it would not appraise, but she wanted to try anyway because she LOVED the unit.  She told me that the price might be high, but not that high because the listing agent wouldn't do that.. it would be a disservice to her client as well as the buyer.  Pretty smart client, right?

My question is...Could it be that the listing agent knew that her clients owed more than what it was worth, and instead of educating them and listing it as a short sale, decided that if she overpriced it no one would know?  LOL.  That is except the bank.

I'm thinking that in order to get the economy moving back in the right direction, that it should be manditory for all Realtors to take an appraisal continuing ed class to understand how to market property.

Let's stop playing games.

 

JUST TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, THIS CONDO IS BACK UP FOR SALE AT THE ORIGINAL PRICE... EVEN AFTER THE APPRAISAL HAS BEEN DONE AND HAS COME IN WAY LESS.  WHAT ARE THEY HOPING FOR?  IT IS WHAT IT IS. 

 

 

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Valerie Osterhoudt is a Cromwell Connecticut Residential Realtor who can assist you with the purchase and/or sale of real estate in the Middlesex County of CT, which includes Cromwell, Rocky Hill, Berlin, Middletown, Wethersfield, Newington, as well as all other surrounding areas.  Please visit me at www.CTrealtorMLS.com for all your relocation and/or local needs.  

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Is a Full Time Realtor® with with Johnson Real Estate, in Cromwell, CT who specializes in Homes and Condos For Sale in the Middlesex and Hartford Counties in CT.

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Valerie Osterhoudt
Johnson Real Estate, Inc. - Cromwell, CT
ABR, Cromwell, CT Real Estate ~ 860.883.8889

Simon, If my client were paying cash, that would be a different story.  Once this deal went through with cash it would then bring up the price when other units are being appraised.

Not to go to extremes.. but say a home was listed at 1 million dollars, and other ones similar to it are going for $675,000. I buyer (who is getting a mortgage) wants to buy this home at a million.  Why would the bank give them a loan knowing it is overpriced.

Sep 05, 2010 01:36 PM
Valerie Osterhoudt
Johnson Real Estate, Inc. - Cromwell, CT
ABR, Cromwell, CT Real Estate ~ 860.883.8889

Jeff and Grace... This is all the more reason to list property close to where comps are closing/selling for. 

I have an appraiser come from Mass to do an appraisal in CT.  Need I say how that one went?  NOT well at all.

Sep 05, 2010 01:38 PM
Jane Peters
Home Jane Realty - Los Angeles, CA
Los Angeles real estate concierge services

This could be a new agent who doesn't understand that pricing a property above what it is most definitely going to appraise for is a waste of time.  Oh, well.

Sep 05, 2010 01:39 PM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Valerie, that was a huge difference like you said, especially for a Condo.  That Appraiser must not have taken "Living Style" into consideration ........... LOL

Sep 05, 2010 02:41 PM
Lisa Orme
The Master's Key Realty LLC -Windsor, CT - HARTFORD COUNTY - Windsor, CT
Broker/Realtor, ABR, CRS,GRI, PSCS, SFR, Notary Pu

The listing agent is spinning her wheels as well as everyone else's! Some agents just have a hard time delivering the hard truth to their sellers. They either get lucky because the seller is so desperate to sell that they talk the agent into a price reduction, or the agent waits it out, loses the listing, and someone who knows how to say the hard stuff actually educates the seller!

Or, like George said - maybe the appraiser forgot about the "lifestyle" adjustment! Yikes!

Sep 05, 2010 03:22 PM
Matt Grohe
RE/MAX Concepts - Des Moines, IA
Serving the metro since 2003

Valerie: Some people need extraordinary occurrences to be convinced sometimes.

Sep 05, 2010 04:41 PM
Kristin Johnston - REALTOR®
RE/MAX Platinum - Waukesha, WI
Giving Back With Each Home Sold!

Val, I had one come in at over 23K less this year...yes,that is a great idea for CE...have a wonderful holiday!

Sep 06, 2010 02:02 AM
Jack Gilleland
Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton - Clayton, OH

Valerie, I have, within the last several months, been called in to refute the findings of an appraiser with pictures and verbage.  We have had a rash around here of homes that should have been given the green light, but were held up due to items that were in the inspection.

When the appraiser disagrees with me on the condition of a roof (or anything else), I go to bat for my findings.  I have had 3 in the past 2 months do just that.  The client calls me and says something like "you said the roof was okay".  Then I start researching and maybe even make a second trip (I could have been blind that day).  This is the first year in 15 that I have ever had an appraiser question my findings.  So, at least here, I would say that there is a "maybe" different focus for appraisers these days.  I even had one climb into an attic with me to prove my point, that was a special day.

Sep 06, 2010 05:26 AM
Kenneth Cole
Weichert Realtors Appleseed Group, 2043 Richmond Ave. S.I.N.Y. 10314. office phone 718-698-9797, Appleseedhomes.com... - Staten Island, NY
NYS Licensed Real Estate Salesperson

Excellent post Valerie;  I hope it works out for you.  Sounds like it didn't.

Sep 06, 2010 12:34 PM
Valerie Osterhoudt
Johnson Real Estate, Inc. - Cromwell, CT
ABR, Cromwell, CT Real Estate ~ 860.883.8889

Jane.. In this case the listing agent is NOT from the area.  I tried to give her some advice, but to no avail.

Sep 07, 2010 09:07 AM
Valerie Osterhoudt
Johnson Real Estate, Inc. - Cromwell, CT
ABR, Cromwell, CT Real Estate ~ 860.883.8889

George... LOL!!!  How can one put a *price* on lifestyle anyway?  What might be *lifestyle* to one, would be a drawback to another.  Since LIFESTYLE isn't even something tangible, why would a realtor even mention this?

Sep 07, 2010 09:09 AM
Valerie Osterhoudt
Johnson Real Estate, Inc. - Cromwell, CT
ABR, Cromwell, CT Real Estate ~ 860.883.8889

Lisa.. This listing has/had disaster written all over it from the very beginning.  Before I even put in the offer I called the other agent asking (pleading) to let me know how she came up with the listing price so I could justify it to myu client.  She never could.

Sep 07, 2010 09:11 AM
Valerie Osterhoudt
Johnson Real Estate, Inc. - Cromwell, CT
ABR, Cromwell, CT Real Estate ~ 860.883.8889

Matt.. Pricing proerty is not rocket science.  It is black and white for the most part right now.  Appraisers go by set prices.  One can not inflate a price because as was quoted to me "this is what they are all LISTED at".  Who cares what it's listed at... appraisers go by sold properties.

Sep 07, 2010 09:15 AM
Valerie Osterhoudt
Johnson Real Estate, Inc. - Cromwell, CT
ABR, Cromwell, CT Real Estate ~ 860.883.8889

Kristin.. I took a few days off... my sons went back to school, and the holiday, I thought I would just back off for a while and breathe.  Hope you had a good holiday too.

Sep 07, 2010 09:16 AM
Valerie Osterhoudt
Johnson Real Estate, Inc. - Cromwell, CT
ABR, Cromwell, CT Real Estate ~ 860.883.8889

Jack.. I totally agree that appraisers are being held by the book.  As I say.  I'm glad you were able to prove your point.

My question is how can a realtor increase the price of a condo for "Lifestyle"?  The appraiser, mortgage consultant, and underwriter all had a good laugh on that one.

Sep 07, 2010 09:19 AM
Valerie Osterhoudt
Johnson Real Estate, Inc. - Cromwell, CT
ABR, Cromwell, CT Real Estate ~ 860.883.8889

Kenneth.. It did NOT work out.  Thank goodness.  I informed my client she was paying way too much for the property.

What gets me is that the appraisal came in $17,000 less than the asking price.  Guess what?  Today it is back on the market.. AT THE SAME PRICE. 

Sep 07, 2010 09:21 AM
Jonathan Hall
William Pitt Sotheby's International Realty - Danbury, CT
Realtor - Danbury,CT Area Real Estate~203-417-0523

$17,000 is a lot of money to be apart, especially in the price point. I could understand $15,000 for some of the high end, price price condos that we have in the Danbury area selling in the high $300,000s to $500,000s. Good luck with the seller trying to find a buyer that wants & allowed by their bank to pay more than 10% over market value.

Sep 07, 2010 12:22 PM
Valerie Osterhoudt
Johnson Real Estate, Inc. - Cromwell, CT
ABR, Cromwell, CT Real Estate ~ 860.883.8889

Jonathan.. I wish there was some way of getting this information to the sellers. 

The only way this would work is if the sellers found a buyer looking to pay cash.

Sep 07, 2010 01:19 PM
Andrea Swiedler
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New England Properties - New Milford, CT
Realtor, Southern Litchfield County CT

Valerie, I don't know why it happens, but it does. I am pretty good at price, I, like you, usually come in about the same as the appraiser. I have only had one listing that didn't appraise, it was a condo, years ago. The appraisal was $1,0000 lower than my price. Buyer bought it anyway, but times were different.

I was on caravan this week, we all thought one of the homes on was more than 100,000 overpriced. And it was an agent I would never have expected it from. It can be tough to be competing against prices given that are way off the mark for listings. I know for a fact there are companies out there who want the listings at any price. We all know that. And there are agents who have that attitude firmly entrenched in their mindset. 

Of course, then there are those who know nothing about short sales.

To put it back on at the same price? Now that is pure stupidity.

Sep 10, 2010 11:50 PM
Valerie Osterhoudt
Johnson Real Estate, Inc. - Cromwell, CT
ABR, Cromwell, CT Real Estate ~ 860.883.8889

Andrea..

To add to this story, I received an an from the listing agent on this property.  Being that she is from out-of-town, (20 minutes away) she wanted to know that since I am an expert on condo in Cromwell, "What do you think my clients could get if they wanted to rent it out instead"?

My reply.  "Terminate your agree with your clients, and then have them contact me.  I'll be glad to help them out."

If you don't work in a particle market...don't take a listing.  You are NOT doing due diligence for your clients.. you are only doing a disservice.

 

Sep 11, 2010 07:11 AM