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Green Water useage -- There are some gray areas that aren't always addressed.

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Services for Real Estate Pros with Bar JD Communications

The Three Minute GREEN Shower from Douglas Garbe, is not a new idea -- and the post about it brought back memories.

When I was in school, one of our civics classes talked about Americans working with people in SE Asian countries and recommending typical American hygienic habits, such as take a bath once a week, minimum. The people who were being lectured about keeping clean were shocked because their religion had them get into the river for a 'bath' several times a DAY!

But, we didn't always have running water in the house when I was a kid. Tub baths were treats that I got to enjoy at Grandma's house on Sunday, swimming like a little mermaid till all fingers and toes were prune-wrinkled and the half tub of water was COLD, while the grown-ups visited in the other room. The rest of the time was a sponge bath behind the wood burning kitchen range. Once, I got a good burn on my arm from getting too close to the stove pipe.

One summer when I was about 10, the oats dust and the soybean dust was so bad, my dad took a 3.5 to 4 gallon bucket and put a faucet on it. A special little shower gizmo sold by Stanley Home Products called a shower ring was attached to the faucet. (In those days, ladies didn't wash their hair every day and didn't want to get it wet in any bath if possible, so the water on a shower ring started in a ring that fit around one's neck and some distance from a hair-do.) Dad put that bucket, full of warm soapy water on a hook from the ceiling of the closed in back porch and schzam, we had a shower! Please consider two things -- the amount of water and the location. Because, even though, we lived in the country, way back in the middle of a section, someone MIGHT come to the back door. And that water didn't last long. I began my shower experiences with SPEED being a big part of the operation. I've just never since been a Lucy Longshower. There are economical 'at the source of use' water heaters which help us not pump 10 gallons of water through the pipes from the water heater to the bathroom.

Today, when we use water, we cannot get into a river or a lake readily. Water that we use for the lawns doesn't get to be from our gray water as it should; we use expensive and increasingly scarce treated water for projects never intended. Our dog does his shower from the rainwater tank; he has a nice warm shower. It gets a little mossy, so I think I will pass, though. Our houses need more than one water evacuation system -- we have water that could be reused for watering plants and lawns or washing cars, but it gets shuffled down the same pipe as toilet water, putting pressure on sewage systems as well. If you live in the country with a septic system, the biggest enemy of these is soap and detergent which would do fine for lawns and shrubs. When we lived in the western mountains, our system would accept only limited water. I had a little washing machine called a Hoover washing machine. It had a pump on it which I used to pump the wash water into a bucket. The bucket was then taken outside and poured into a barrel containing rocks and having holes poked in it. The wildflowers and grasses loved my wash water and because of the barrel, I could also count on being able to flush the toilet.

Sure, we need to be responsible about water useage -- reasonable shower time, filling the washer, shutting down while the actual brushing goes on. The yellow practice mentioned in some of the comments for The Three Minute Shower, or as we say at our house, building a pee collection, saves water and floodiing of a leach field. Amazingly, using a dishwasher can save water if we run it when full. Once, I let a portable dishwater pump into a kettle and found it took 2.5 gallons to fill. I know I used more than that washing one baby bottle when they were all dirty and I needed one. Keeping cold water in the frig (maybe in re-used water bottles will keep us from running the faucet to get cold water. So, some of it is habit and some of it is making the decision to use appliances that let us get the most from the water we do use. The solutions are clear, but they may not always be simple and easy. Each living person is responsible for using wisdom in resource usage. Some of this is a matter of conviction; nothing works so well as practicing what we preach while being satisfied to inform others.

Stephanie Edwards-Musa
thredUP.com - The Woodlands, TX
knitwit at thred UP
Hi JudyAnn,  this is very interesting.  I think I will check out the link you are referring to and stop back by!
Aug 27, 2007 08:43 AM
JudyAnn Lorenz
Bar JD Communications - Mansfield, MO
Virtual Marketing Consultant

There are good reasons of stewardship to pay attention to water usage.  Sure, some conservation things are OVER THE TOP, but I am reminded of a pediatrition who told me to boil baby bottles for 30 minutes because then he could be pretty sure I would do it for TEN or THREE.

If we get ideas for water saving that we apply even part of the time, there is benefit and generational habits begin to develop.

Some of our mothers washed dishes with a hot water faucet running perpetually.  How silly that seems now. 

Aug 28, 2007 02:17 AM
Evan Little
Surterre Properties - Santa Ana, CA
Eco, Live/Work, Sales and Management
Indeed we need to start thinking of how excessive we have been living our lives and how easily we could change.  The technolodgy and knowledge is there.  Now it's just a matter of leadership and spreading these ideas.  Nice blog.
Aug 28, 2007 11:05 AM
Gary Smith
Agent Marketing Today - Commerce Township, MI

JudyAnn,

I can relate to your stories. We had a five gallon hot water tank and the waste went to a buried tank in the ground with holes when I was growing up. Baths were quick in freezing Lake Superior from Memorial through Mid September with your floating bar of Ivory Soap. The sink waste went to a separate drain field and kept the lawn green.

In my area, gray water use is now discouraged. I did buy some rain barrels for the gardens and 2.5 gpm flow reducers except for the kitchen sink.

Aug 28, 2007 01:02 PM
Rick & Ines - Miami Beach Real Estate
Majestic Properties - Miami Beach, FL

JudyAnn - I always say it is the little things that make a difference and we HAVE to pay attention to everything you mention here - I'm still in awe at the shower experience you described.

Ines 

Aug 29, 2007 09:33 AM
JudyAnn Lorenz
Bar JD Communications - Mansfield, MO
Virtual Marketing Consultant

As Gary can attest, those showers were a real treat and luxury, different than the social necessity of today.

A few years ago, we bought a tank so we could haul water to a pen where there wasn't ready water for our horses.  We moved the balky thing, but hadn't gotten a really serious 'job' for it  until last year when the weather got really dry.  It is now hooked up to the downspout from a large section of the roof (large for the roof, not in actual measurement.)  The roof area will deliver 150 gallons of water to the tank when one inch of rain falls.  We have a sophistocated spigot system for the tank and I use it to water the container plantings and some of the garden.  We did get a soaker hose for the tomatoes in early August when no rain fell.  We can hook up a hose to drain it to the garden when we need it.  It works good for a shower source for the dog too; a nice warm shower.   One thing we wish we would have done was to put a separate pipe along side as a sump for the grit that comes off the shingles and has to be dumped out of the tank every winter.

Aug 29, 2007 03:49 PM
Mary McGraw
GLREA - Rockford, MI
2015: Solar Energy Is Still A Simple Machine!
JudyAnn - My Grandma always had the best looking flowers in the neighborhood and when we visited her she "let" us water her flowers -- the water was always taken from the barrel in the back yard -- rain water! Great ideas you have shared! Next spring I think I will rig my own rain barrel (although it has been an awfully dry season here -- it may take me a few years to fill it!) I should probably do it this fall to take advantage of the snow this winter!
Sep 06, 2007 03:52 PM
JudyAnn Lorenz
Bar JD Communications - Mansfield, MO
Virtual Marketing Consultant

I am fortunate to have a pretty fancy set up with a 150 gallon closed tank such as would be used for a spayer.  Richard put a spigot onto it that we can open with for bucket filling or attach a hose for faster drawing. 

We lived in high desert country for a long time and I have trouble pouring left over coffee down the drain.  It is good for plants too. When we began doing the math on water from a roof, it was stunning.  Our part of the country has a specific 4-6 week spell of hot/dry weather.  The tank helped ease the watering pressure.

Sep 08, 2007 02:45 AM
Mary McGraw
GLREA - Rockford, MI
2015: Solar Energy Is Still A Simple Machine!
JudyAnn - this was definitely a summer like that in Michigan where I wished I had thought that out ahead of time! How do you think my husband will like his new project?
Sep 08, 2007 05:00 AM
Terry Haugen STAGE it RIGHT! 321-956-2495
Stage it Right! - Melbourne, FL
Judy Ann, I loved your childhood story.  I remember at my grandmothers using and outhouse and having to carry bath water into the bathroom from the kitchen.  Jaynee of the Stage it Forward group posted a nice blog about growing up in an austere household and how it shaped her as an adult.  I think for those of use older than 45, we tend to carry forward those little lessons we learned about conserving our resources.  I put a bucket in my shower to capture the run off, it waters my potted plants or goes into a 30 gallon trash can for use later.  I capture rain water in barrels as well.  I try my best to conserve whenever and whereever possible.  One word of caution on your reusing water bottles, DON'T!  The chemicals that make those bottles begins to degrade very quickly, into whatever liquid is in the bottle, so you are basically drinking the chemicals every time you refill them.  I did that for years and then heard the other day that they shouldn't be reused.  Bummer as it was such a convenient way to carry water, juice, tea or whatever.  I now use 10 oz glass bottles that Canada Dry bottles their products in.
Sep 08, 2007 01:58 PM