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Pain and Practicality - What to look for in an All-in-One Printer

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Services for Real Estate Pros with Eastman Kodak Company

Hey ActiveRainers!

Thanks to all of you who welcomed us to the ActiveRain party.

I wanted to ask the community to provide feedback on how much you print, and how much you spend on ink?

At Kodak, we’re committed to providing you a premium solution whether you want to print, scan and go paperless, or imaging with our video and digital cameras. And, our Real Estate group is committed to providing education to the community with these Sponsored Posts. So, I’m going to blend some practical tips and considerations for each subject I write about and hope you all find it fun and helpful.

It’s year-end and many of you are looking at investing into new tools for next year.

Today I’m going to talk about printers. In general, we know agents print a lot more than average consumers, but how much more? One of Kodak’s main value propositions in printing is a low cost ink system combined with durable prints. As we work to positively impact real estate professionals, it would be great to start with community feedback – so let me know your experience and tell us how much you spend on ink and how many times you refill on your printer per month! Thanks for sharing the data!

If you print a lot, Kodak can save you money. For example, our KODAK ESP OFFICE 6150 All-In-One Printer utilizes $9.99 black and $17.99 5-ink color cartridges. Do you want to find out what you could save switching to Kodak? Check out our OVERPAYMENT CALCULATOR, enter your printer model or the printer you’re considering buying, and find out what you could save! In a market like this, you should be evaluating each and every cost and saving every penny!

Honestly, before I worked for Kodak, I never thought about how much I spent on ink. Whenever I purchased a printer, I looked for features and price. While those qualities are certainly important, the ink is where I spent the majority of my money, and that was a lot of $$$ over the years. But there are other important factors, and I thought I’d list some of the considerations we think are important when looking to
purchase your next All-in-One Printer.

What would I consider if I were buying an All-in-One Printer:

1. Cost of Ink – How much do the cartridges cost and what is their estimated yield (amount of prints the cartridge can produce)? That’s number one for me because it factors into my true cost of ownership. I had one agent tell me at a tradeshow that he spent more money on his inkjet printer refilling it in a month than his daughter’s Toyota Prius for gas!

2. Cost Per Page (CPP) – Behind cost of ink, the CPP is probably the most important long-term number. This is particularly important when considering black cartridge output.

3. Print Durability – Will the print (especially if you make photos, brochures, or documents for wet signature) last under harsh conditions such as sunlight, moisture and time? This is an important consideration with real estate agents when placing brochures in boxes or storing contracts over time. Kodak does have an advantage here with our pigment-based inks, which are water and
fade resistant.

4. ADF (Automatic Document Feeder) - In a business-class printer, you don’t want to skimp on this feature, pay the extra money and eschew units that don’t have an ADF. Get a robust document feeder that can handle multiple pages for fax, copy, and scan. 20 or 30 pages capacity is a good target. However, If you frequently scan larger documents, I’d recommend you also consider a compact, high-speed scanner. (Check out our KODAK SCANMATE i1120 Scanner as a starting point.)

5. Wireless and Smartphone Connectivity - I think it’s really important for a printer to have both wireless and hard Ethernet connection. This gives you maximum connectivity and the ability to place your printer in your network with the most flexibility. Wireless is so convenient and allows you freedom from your desk, especially for those of you with an iPhone, iPad and Blackberry. WIth Kodak, you can print photos directly from those devices, and you can print documents directly from the Blackberry too! Agents are doing so much with their smartphones these days, having the ability to quickly print a photo or document when you walk in the door is a big timesaver.

5. Robustness of the Print Mechanism – Most inkjet printers will last about 3 years maximum according to most industry studies. Reality is under use that number goes down. Brand and quality are crucial to your decision-making process.

6. Tray Capacity - This is important so that you don’t have to keep refilling the printer. It can get annoying to replace paper, so try to find a printer with at least 200 page tray capacity.

7. Ease of Setup – Printer manufacturers have gone to great lengths to automate setup. Make sure you ask questions about how easy that process is.

8. Speed – Yes, it’s important, but I would consider reliability, ink cost, and CPP over this one so for me personally it’s the last on my list. This may be different for you though. I’d look at the black output as your starting speed marker, because color can vary on the quality and coverage (how much color ink) is going on the page.



How would you rank these factors for yourself? Deciding which ones are the most important for you will generally inform which printer you should buy.

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Anonymous
Mark Walser

Hi Vickie:

Great strategy!  Having the same model definitely helps and you can take advantage of bulk cartridge buys, nice!  Sounds like you have your plan well staged! Appreciate the feedback too.

Hi Praful:

Well said.  Most manufacturers, including us, sell the printers for very low profit margins.  The ink is where the money is made in our industry, and there is a reason we had one of our ad campaigns as "the most expensive liquid in the world isn't found in the middle east, it's found in your inkjet printer!!" -- watch this video to see that campaign (my personal favorite)

We think that fairly priced ink is an important thing, and that you should invest in your business more than ink.  Hope you'll consider our printers and thank your for the comments!

Hi Doug:

Great point.  Most inkjet printers are dye based, so they smudge, run when water hits, or fade in sunlight.  Except for Kodak.  Our pigment based inks dry in milliseconds, so they won't smudge when you print.  Combined with the low cost of ink, our printers are cheaper per page than many laser printers.  Hope that helps and that you'll give us a try - thanks for the feedback!

Hi Sharon:

Wow! Depending on the model of printer you have,  I'm guessing based on the prices you quoted that you are spending about $220 per year on black ink alone, and if you replace the colors every two months, probably over $700 per year on the colors.  Sounds like you print a lot of black.  If you should try our printer, consider the 10XL black cartridge.  It's for people who print a lot of black.  Yields about 750 black prints per cartridge and is $16.99. This will most likely save you somewhere in the neighborhood of 40% on your black printing costs.

Thanks for sharing!

Oct 20, 2010 07:14 PM
#5
Bradley Pounds
Watters International Realty, Broker Lic #606049 - Austin, TX
(512) 736-3353

On my next printer purchase, I'm committing to one additional practice, searching the internet for these terms:  "<Insert Model Name/Number Here> won't print" and "<Model> won't scan."  If I would have done that with my current "top of the line" model, I would find that there are all kinds of problems that even the experts can't fix and software updates don't address!  I will look into your models next time I'm in the market. Thanks for the advice!

Oct 21, 2010 12:36 AM
Tom Robinson
Keller Williams Realty Kingstowne/Alexandria, VA Office - Fairfax, VA
Experienced Real Estate, Professional Serving No. VA and DC

I prefer a laser rather than an inkjet. I currently have an HP 2820 series printer but may replace it in a year or two. I'll take a look at Kodak. I hope you have a laser version about the sice of the one in the photo at a comparable price (for the toner vs. the ink jet ink).

Oct 21, 2010 01:54 AM
Mary Jo Quay
H360homes.com - Minneapolis, MN
I Move You Home

Although network systems have transformed our business, and sometimes made the impossible possible, I still struggle with printers.  I have a $1000 laser printer in my basement that would cost me $1200 to replace cartridges and cassettes, 2 HP printers that stopped working.  On one the scanner roller went off kilter by one long dog hair floating in the air.  I now have an Epson that promises to scan up to 30 pages, but really only will take 6.  The networking features don't always work on any of them, and I find myself best friends with tech support on three continents in the middle of the night.  My current printer brochure says it was not designed to be repaired.  If it breaks, throw it out.  At least it came with one full set of ink, instead of the usual 20%.  Problem is, it has two tiny black ink cassettes, have to replace them both.

Always looking for a solution that works. 

Oct 21, 2010 04:09 AM
Kim McAllister
Eastman Kodak Company - Rochester, NY
Kodak Real Estate Solutions

Hi Bradley

Sounds like a great piece of advice on the scanner born of experience.  :)   I agree - if scanning is important to you try it out and make sure that the ADF and scanning function meets your needs.  Sometimes good software makes a difference too.   I like the software that comes with our printers for scanning, but I also use Photoshop a lot and so I tested it with the TWAIN features of Photoshop and Scansoft Paperport to make sure I liked the way it scanned.  So far so good, but I would still say in fairness that if you do frequently scan documents that are greater than 30 pages in size,  a compact scanner is a nice accompanying office tool because it will save you time.  By the way, you have the ability to return our products that you purchase through the real estate store, but I do hope you will give us a try when next you're in the market.

Oct 21, 2010 07:50 AM
Kim McAllister
Eastman Kodak Company - Rochester, NY
Kodak Real Estate Solutions

Hi Karen

Great question on clarity, and it covered print and scan. My personal experience with my own 6150 is that the printing of black and tiny text is excellent and legible on plain paper and premium papers.  This is partially due to the fact that our ink dries in milliseconds, so it doesn't smudge and therefore is sharper to my eye.  You'll have to see this for yourself however.  Most stores like Best Buy, Staples, OfficeMax or Walmart carry our displays with print samples, which can give you a good idea of what that is like before you buy.  Good paper also helps, our ink does do very well on any paper, but particularly our Kodak Premium Paper of medium weight or higher will give you the best permanence and sharpest clarity because it's manufactured specifically to optimize our ink.  Check out this link for my recommended starting point.

Are you going to be at Triple Play in December?  I will be, and I'd love to meet you and demo it personally as well at our booth.

On your question on scanning from the ADF - clarity is dependent on the settings you scan at.  If you are looking for sharp black text with reduced "noise", you would want to scan at the GRAYSCALE settings, rather than the black and white settings.  This will make your image much sharper and clearer. The downside of this is that the image size becomes much larger, so you'll have to play with the scan settings to get the right balance of size versus clarity with Grayscale.  Our embedded software does help you set this up to a large degree prior to scanning.

Oct 21, 2010 08:09 AM
Kim McAllister
Eastman Kodak Company - Rochester, NY
Kodak Real Estate Solutions

Hi Tom,

Thanks for the comments and feedback.  Yes, lasers are great products and I can fully understand your desire to stick with them.  We don't make laser printers at this point, partially due to the fact that our black print cost is so low.  We also specialize in imaging and photo printing, so we focus on a combined value of low cost printing with extremely high quality color, thus the inkjet focus.   Speed by the way is up to 32 ppm black on the ESP OFFICE 6150 All-In-One Printer, so even that is becoming less of a factor than it used to be.

Let me know if I can be of further help!

 

Oct 21, 2010 08:15 AM
Kim McAllister
Eastman Kodak Company - Rochester, NY
Kodak Real Estate Solutions

Hi Mary Jo

Wow - what a story!  Sounds like you have made a lot of friends if you ever go traveling...unfortunately the hard way. :)

Feel your pain on the ink - you brought up a great point about starter cartridges.  You'll be happy to know we give you full ink tanks with our printers.

The wireless is actually one of the easiest things to setup about a Kodak printer, practically does it for you once you engaged, my wife loved the ease of setup on her Kodak 7250 all-in-one with our home network and we consistently get great reviews for it. 

I think you'll like our printer as an all-one-one, and that "all in" it will be a great experience and money saver for you.  Thanks and I hope you find that solution that's right for you and look forward to your feedback if you give us a try.

Oct 21, 2010 08:27 AM
Hawaii homes
Century 21 iProperties Hawaii - Honolulu, HI

My brother laser all in one performs superbly, although in monochrome.  Laser is great because it doesn't smudge easily.  You mentioned the ink dries quickly, I still wonder if some water gets on a page will the ink run?  

It would be nice to have a quality color printer.  

Oct 21, 2010 08:32 AM
Kim McAllister
Eastman Kodak Company - Rochester, NY
Kodak Real Estate Solutions

Hi "Hawaii Homes"

No - our ink won't run.  In fact , at our tradeshows we print a flyer on plain paper and then take it off the printer and spray it immediately with water. And the ink stays while the paper curls!  This is true of pretty much any paper by the way.

Then I sit it down and let it dry for a few minutes, and it looks great without a single smudge.  Where you are located with lots of humidity and rain, this will DEFINITELY help out with flyers.

The printer is $129.99, there is a small shipping cost to Hawaii but we do ship it there.  Please stay in touch and let me know if you get the printer.  Would love to have you try out the printing and leave a brochure in the rain, and give us a testimonial!

I am at a tradeshow next week, and I'll take video of the spraying demo and post it here on ActiveRain for everyone to see.

Mahalo!

Oct 21, 2010 08:54 AM
Chris Olsen
Olsen Ziegler Realty - Cleveland, OH
Broker Owner Cleveland Ohio Real Estate

Hi Mark -- I bought a Dell 3130cn laser printer this past summer and this thing rocks. I haven't had to replace the cartridges yet, but the black 9,000 high capacity yield is $139, and the three individual colors for a 9,000 page yield are $252 each. I bought this off e-bay new for under $400.  How do you think the total cost of ownership and yearly costs pan out?  I print about 50 color flyers per month on average and probably 200-400 black and white, general printing per month.

I used to own a xerox phase 8400 (purchased back in february 2004 through may 2010) and this thing was rock solid as well, it had ink sticks and my black cost was about 5c and color averaged about 15c.  But, the color was never very good, but it was a huge workhorse.  Paid $900 for it back in 2004 and got over 6 years out of it.

The think that has always inked irked me in general with printer companies is the whole game they play with ink levels and the planned obsolescence of not using all the ink, with the low ink warnings, or not printing, and the creative hacks people have used.  This whole lack of transparency in this segment of the printing industry is annoying.  This is not a criticism against Kodak, just a generally held belief one reads about all the time when it comes to ink.

Oct 21, 2010 02:49 PM
Tni LeBlanc, RealtorĀ®, J.D.
Mint Properties, Lic. #01871795 - Santa Maria, CA
Tenacious Tni (805) 878-9879

I spend a ton on ink and toner each year.  Now that so many documents from transactions are emailed, I have to print them out for clients and it adds up! 

Tni LeBlanc, Mint Properties
www.SantaMariaRealEstateBlog.com

Oct 21, 2010 04:54 PM
Kim McAllister
Eastman Kodak Company - Rochester, NY
Kodak Real Estate Solutions

Hi Chris,

Great post!  I think your comments about the industry are sadly accurate in many cases.  One of the main drivers or Kodak's entry into the printer business was our desire to bring fairly priced ink, more transparency, and a better value proposition to the market.  While we're not perfect, I think we've largely succeeded with the lower cost of ink, the permanence of our ink, and eliminating the cartridge games by having the same cartridges for all of our printers.

On your laser, I think you've got a great black printing solution on your hands.  The CPP is 1.54 cents per page on the high yield cartridges, which is great!  On color CPP, that's harder to measure because there are so many factors that affect it (coverage, saturation, etc.). I forwarded your post to a colleague of mine in market research, and I'll try to have a better answer for you on that, but all in all I'd say you made out pretty well, especially with the price you bought it for.  The cost of the cartidges put the printer out of the range of a lot of people, but seems like a great office printer.

Tni, 

Thanks for the post.  I hope you'll consider giving our printer a try, I think it will impact you positively. Appreciate you writing and let me know if you have any questions or would like to give it a try.

Oct 21, 2010 05:51 PM
Kim McAllister
Eastman Kodak Company - Rochester, NY
Kodak Real Estate Solutions

Hey Chris,

Update for your Color CPP, this is the straightline based on the cost of the three colors plus the black.

 

Color CPP = [(Toner Cartridge Price*3)/Yield]+ Black CPP (Black Toner Price/Yield) Color CPP = [($252*3)/9000] + $139/9000 Color CPP = $0.084 + $0.0154 Color CPP = $0.0994 Color CPP = 9.95 cents (ink cost estimate is based on ISO test targets; color @ ~22.5% density, black @ ~4.5% density)

If you are printing flyers, we would assume 3X the ISO color test, or about 30 cents per page on color.  So a rough guess based on the quoted number of flyers you are doing is about $25 excluding paper, as a guesstimate.

All in all, excellent CPP's compared to similar laser printers.  Most laser printers in this class run 16-20 cents per page color CPP at ISO standard, so I'd say you are getting your money's worth!

Cheers!

Oct 21, 2010 08:25 PM
Chris Olsen
Olsen Ziegler Realty - Cleveland, OH
Broker Owner Cleveland Ohio Real Estate

Hey Mark -- Thanks for the detailed answer.  I sincerely appreciate a factual and transparent approach to evaluating option and selling your product -- that is rare in your sub-field.  How does my 30c per color flyer compare with your Kodak printer?  Same question for b&w.

Oct 22, 2010 06:03 AM
Kim McAllister
Eastman Kodak Company - Rochester, NY
Kodak Real Estate Solutions

Hi Chris,

In real world numbers I would answer the following way (and I'll make a disclaimer that these figures from our printers are independently provided by a 3rd party industry research firm, Lyra Research,  based on printing with a mix of using an average page mix of 52% black text documents, 35% mixed-color graphics and 13% photos)

Color print  CPP for our KODAK ESP 6150 Office printer is 7.8 cents in that study, so applying the same density test of 3X cost you'd be at 23.4 center per page on average  (with the caveat that a more dense color coverage would be more, and a less dense coverage would be cheaper).

For Black, your laser is less expensive on cost per page in black. primarily due to the yield of the cartridge.  Kodak's claim is that we have the lowest TOTAL ink cost in the industry, factoring in a real world mix of black and color like the one in the disclaimer above.  We believe that more accurately reflects an agent's actual print usage.  Hope that helps and let me know if you have any further questions. 

By the way, how's the ink permanence on your Dell?  Do the prints resist fading and water?  That's another consideration and I know in the inkjet world we're the leader on that front.

Cheers!

Oct 22, 2010 09:57 AM
Chris Olsen
Olsen Ziegler Realty - Cleveland, OH
Broker Owner Cleveland Ohio Real Estate

Hi Mark -- I'm thinking of buying this for my mom as a present as she likes to print regularly.  I was reading all the user reviews and a few of the 1/2 stars concerned me about having to replace the color cartridge after only printing only black and white for 6 months.  Can you please give your take on these negative reviews to the best you can? I know there are two sides to every story.  Thanks in advance...

Nov 30, 2010 04:06 PM
Kim McAllister
Eastman Kodak Company - Rochester, NY
Kodak Real Estate Solutions

Hi Chris,

I'd have to see the reviews but specifically were they about the ESP 6150 or another model?  If you are only printing black and white then no color should be used because we print a true black, not a "gray" which involves mixing the color and black.

So there are two possibilities:

 

1) Defective part, it's a possibility and one that our warranty would cover

2) All printers, regardless of make, do self cleanings after every X number of prints.  These cleanings involve using ink, and occur fairly regularly.  There is a slim possibility that after 6 months of sitting in there and self cleaning, the cartridge could have wound its way down to zero after that long a time.

It's possible, but I'd lean toward number 1 first before I went to number 2.

However, I'm here as a sounding board, so you can certainly come back to me if your mom has a problem with it.

Cheers!

 

Dec 01, 2010 07:49 AM
Chris Olsen
Olsen Ziegler Realty - Cleveland, OH
Broker Owner Cleveland Ohio Real Estate

Hi Mark -- Yes, they were about the 6150, and thanks for the info.  Do you have a recommendation for just a printer by Kodak,inexpensive, without the multi-functions (scan, copy, fax)? 

Dec 05, 2010 06:46 AM
Kim McAllister
Eastman Kodak Company - Rochester, NY
Kodak Real Estate Solutions

Hi Chris,

 

The ESP 3200 series and 5200 series would be the printers to look at.  I'd probably look at the ESP 3250 - it's a basic printer, is multifunction, but inexpensive.  Retails for $99, you can get it through the real estate store for $79.99.

 

www.kodak.com/go/redeal.

 

Thank you!

Mark

Dec 08, 2010 04:02 PM