How Does the Most Liberal City in the U.S. Celebrate Victory - Violence and Destruction

Welcome to Pelosiville!  The ideal composite city where no one owns anything, and therefore without ownership, there is no responsibility, and destruction of the property of others is permitted and encouraged.  It is not the first time a California city has done this.  Seems like not too long ago L.A. had a similar result when the Lakers won the NBA Championship. 

Mike,  Your post is thought-provoking.  The statement "The liberals of San Francisco, and other areas, have little or no respect for property."made me think of the lack of respect for Washington DC and the mall with the Obama inauguration where absolutely unbelievable amounts of trash were strewn throughout the mall.  And yet very little trash was left on the mall from the Restoring Honor Rally recently.  Why the difference?  It is not just the size of the crowd to blame - it is a respect or lack of respect for property.

Hi Mike;  I used to work in San Francisco also, in Embarcadero Center!  I think it is the Rat Race theory....Too many people in too small of a place.  Jam packed people tend to go crazy just like rat mazes that are over populated.   They still have Feinstein but I am surprised that there were not riots after the landslide of Republicans winning in the midterm yesterday!!!

Vicki - That's not accurate......there was trash left over from both events, just as there's trash left over from all events.  Probably more likely to see trash in a warm weather event than a cold weather one anyway.  

Tchaka,  My comments about the trash are not "not accurate."  The difference in the amounts of trash from the 2009 inaugurration and the rally in August 2010 was staggering.   Don't take my word for it, research it on the internet and search images. There are lots of photos from after both events.   

Wow.   Degenerates ruin a perfectly good celebration and your conclusion is that they must be liberals?  I am a liberal, Mike.  I can assure you that I have great respect for property.  I pay taxes, just like conservatives and don't believe I am entitled to anything I have not earned.  I have known difficulties in my life and managed to overcome them without looking for handouts from anyone and have had to earn every single thing I have.  I am responsible.  I do not make excuses for the things I do, if I make a mistake, I step up.  I am always horrified at mob mentality.  I am also horrified at gross generalizations.  Liberals didn't ruin the celebration Mike.  Criminals did.  And they should be punished.

I agree with your last paragraph.  However, the recipients of something for nothing are opportunists, not liberals. 

Well, Mike - I guess the Brooks Brothers republicans had all sorts of concern for personal and public property as well as people's safety.

"At that point, according to a November 24 column by Paul Gigot in the Wall Street Journal, New York Rep. John Sweeney, a Republican “monitor” on the scene, gave the order to “shut it down.” The throng of Republican protesters moved to the 19th floor and began pounding on the doors of the county elections department, chanting, “Stop the count, stop the fraud!” Numerous incidents of violence on the part of the demonstrators were reported. The crowd chased down Miami-Dade Democratic Party Chairman Joe Geller, screaming that he was stealing a ballot. (It turned out he was carrying a sample ballot.) The mob attempted to rush the doors to the 19th floor elections office, and several people were trampled and manhandled in the process. Luis Rosero, a Democratic aide, told the New York Times that he was punched and kicked in the scuffle.." source:  http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/nov2000/riot-n25.shtml or anything on Google you do trust.

Of course, judging by this little example here, I ought to make an assumption that conservatives, as a general rule, have no regard for PUBLIC property and personal safety. 

See, Mike - schmucks are schmucks, no matter if they are old or young or liberal or conservative, and your living in SF does not add any validity to a lame argument you were making.  If it were, indeed, the case, there'd never have been any riots in deeply conservative countries (most, if not all of Asia for one).  But you should already know that; it was just rather convenient to through a dagger at liberalism for the deeds of a bunch of drunk revelers.  Convenient and very beneath you, my friend.

Once again, Mike, I have to disagree.  But this will be the last time because with your comment to Inna, it's starting to get ugly, as all political debates do, and I don't do ugly.  I'm not sure why I even commented on this post as I often read your posts but almost never agree with you and prefer to move on rather than argue a point that neither of us will ever agree on.  

I voted for Obama so with your criteria, I am no better than the folks who just rioted in San Francisco.  I'm willing to bet that people who do these kinds of things are not registered voters.  They are self serving and selfish and liberals by my definition, anyway, believe in helping those that are less fortunate than ourselves.  Not hand outs but a hand up.  The people who do these kinds of things don't deserve either.  They are ignorant criminals, not liberals.  I agree they are reprehensible.  What I don't agree with is your labeling them something that I am.  That's insulting.

Mike - I posted a source.  There is also google (Brooks Brothers Riots will net you all sorts of results).  I don't see anything vulgar or ad hominem in my comment to you.  I was only addressing the point of your post.

Given your bit of commentary to me though, I'll reconsider doing so in the future.  Lastly, Mike - there is nothing shameful in liberalism or being a liberal.  It's only when you redefind these words to suit your agenda that anyone can throw stones at those of us aspousing the ideals of liberalism for any reason.  Last I checked, the ideas of liberalism are what this country was founded on, Mike.  Look it up.

Susan - it warms my heart to know that you, cringing as you did, jumped into the fray here.

Hugs.

Liberalism back when our country was founded Inna, was a WHOLE lot different from the liberalism we see today. To compare the two is preposterous.

Mike, I watched the video and it just goes to show you what happens when people get out of control and act incredibly stupid. There's really no way of knowing if they were liberal or whatever but people with conservative values tend to act conservatively (imagine that) so you are correct that it is a pretty good guess that these people are not conservatives if nothing else.

Example for those of you who don't get the whole conservative value thing.....on most major holidays people can be seen out drinking and carrousing and bar hopping, house hopping and partying. Where am I? I am at home with my family...safe, warm and not in the line of fire. Might I be having a margarita or glass of wine? Sure, but I won't be out adding to the chaos on the streets during holidays. It is for this reason that I avoid the river and beaches on Spring break, etc. because I know there will be college kids and others there acting like fools, getting mostly naked, drunk and ruining the fun for the rest of us. New years will find me at home. I don't seek out this "excitement" and chaos that people tend to gravitate to during holidays. I seek peace and fun at home. Away from the masses. I go to small home town parades but avoid the Houston big event parades. I attend small home town fairs but avoid Houston big event (promoted on tv) gatherings. That is conservative. Boring to you maybe but more fulfilling to me. So there isn't a chance in hades of me being in the vacinity of what was going on in this video. I'd have been on my way home long before this. My "liberal" friends however would have been out on these streets partying with the rest of them but would most likely not have been involved in a brawl. So what does that tell you?

It tells you that some of your liberal "friends".....may not represent you in your opinion.....but they are a part of your group and in general make you look bad. Sort of like a kkk member that votes republican makes me look bad. IT's just a fact of life. I don't have anything more to do with a kkk member than you have to do with these morons most likely but the fact remains that the people in this video.....are NOT conservatives and do most likely vote dem if they bother to vote at all.

No there's nothing wrong with it in general but tell me...what reason would the mother of 6 children reallllly have to be out on a street at 2am (and I'm not talking about just running to the store)? No smart one, that is for sure. My grandmother used to say nothing good happens after dark....and now I tend to agree with her.

These days (around here) you just can't have good family fun in public anymore. We took our kids to the Renfair not long ago (Renaissance festival) and there were women walking around in a thong and chain mail before noon, no bra, no shirt, just chain mail and a thong. Had nothing else on and might as well have been nude. I find it hard to believe people wore just chain mail during the Ren. era. This was touted as a good family adventure in all the ads. We took them to a beach....the massive drinking, cussing, and partial nudity made us leave there and it wasn't even spring break. Took them to an art festival downtown....some of the "art" was pornographic. Took them to a museum a block from the Alamo in San Antonio and had to walk over drunks passed out in their own vomit. I could go on an on with examples of our travels that have left us disappointed in humanity or lack thereof.

If it weren't for some people ruining it and turning everything these days into a drunken, riotous, sex driven mad house I'd agree with you and say there is nothing wrong with large functions but that seems to be what people think of as fun these days and the larger the function the more crazy people it seems to attract. Typically this behavior is saved for after dark but there are lots of exceptions!! The gloves are off now and the more extreme behavior the better it seems. It's not just girls gone wild anymore now it's grandmas gone wild!!

By the way, I was in San Francisco a few years back and was walking around looking at the city and here comes a parade. Wasn't that cool.....till i noticed the guys in thongs and chaps with nothing else on and was informed it was a gay parade. Really!?!? Cover the kids' eyes and run like hell back to the hotel cause that is just not cutting it for this conservative girl! San Francisco is not family friendly I discovered. Now I am learning that it's not just SF. It's all over the big towns and will eventually make it to the small towns.

and before anyone bashes me...I didn't cover my kids' eyes because there were gay men in a parade....I covered their eyes because there were scantily clad me in a parade just like I did when the chain mailed women walked by. That extreme just is NOT necessary.

Mike, I'm all done here.  Seriously.

They are hoodlums and ought to be waterboarded until they vote Republican.  :)