Are You Being Suckered? Why Paying Someone to Submit Your Site to Search Engines Flushes Good Money Down the Drain…(Part 1)

By
Services for Real Estate Pros with InHouse Writer
It's important to understand the two kinds of Internet search:

  1. Search engines – these send their robots to crawl the Web and gather data. Years ago, there was a need to submit sites to search engines, but that need has not existed for years now. After a search engine’s robot has been to your site once, it will keep coming back periodically, hungry for new content. (The only way to stop all robots or a particular robot from crawling your site is to tell them to stop in something called a robots.txt file.)

    But my point is that you do not need to pay someone to make search engine robots come to your site when it's new. (That's easily done, and I'll show you how.) Neither do you need to pay someone to make engine robots come back after changes to your content. If anyone tells you otherwise, RUN from them as fast as you can. And hold on to your wallet!


  2. Directories – are compiled by each directory’s human editors from sites submitted to them. The main directories today are:
  • The Open Directory Project (ODP), which is TOTALLY FREE (I’ll get to it in a minute).
  • LookSmart, which is Pay Per Click (PPC).
  • Yahoo! Directory, which costs $299 annually. (I can’t think of one reason to pay $299 a year for the rest of your site’s life to be in the Yahoo! Directory.)

          Several large directories you can submit to are:

  • GoGuides.Org
  • JoeAnt
  • Gimpsy
  • IllumiRate 
  • BtoB (free or purchase)
  • There are thousands of directories on the World Wide Web. Many of them serve niche markets, and their users are not looking for anything related to real estate. Do you want to pay someone to submit your site to SeaFoodSearch.com? Instead (if you want your site listed in directories), look for directories specific to the real estate industry and submit to the best.

Now here’s the PROBLEM and the purpose of this post:  money

There are companies out there (and some of them may otherwise be reputable professionals) offering to submit and re-submit your site to a large number of search engines for a nominal annual fee. Usually the fee is around $50—an amount low enough to sound like a great deal, if you’re not up to speed on everything about search engines. And this fee is usually non-refundable. (I don't wonder why! Some even dare to charge $19.95 a month.)

Get enough people to purchase their low-priced service and the company has a nice little gold mine. If they get just 100 customers to fall for this, at $50 it adds $5,000 annually to the company’s bottom line. And 1,000 customers is a $50,000 recurring annual income.

Today, almost everybody knows it’s a good thing to have their site show up in search engine results. So, logically, paying a mere $50 annually to have your site submitted to 500 engines seems to make sense ... if Google is good, then 499 more search engines must be wonderful … a no-brainer, right?

Not! And here’s why…

This table at SearchEngineWatch.com shows search statistics for July 2007 by Neilsen//NetRatings. Study it closely. Do you see that 96.6% of all Internet searches are done by people using only TEN search engines? So, when you pay someone to submit your site to 500 engines, 490 of those comprise only a 3.4% share of all searches made.

Believe me, if you’re not indexed by those engines, you won’t miss them. And do you really want to pay someone to submit your site to Yahoo! Ireland & UK? What about Google France? Or Google Austraila? See what I mean?

“Okay, Kay, but what about Google, Yahoo, MSN and the others in the top ten list shown in the chart. Don’t I need someone to submit my site to those?”

No. And here’s why...

There is something called Dmoz. It’s found at www.dmoz.org. Dmoz is the name of the Open Directory Project (ODP), which is “the largest, most comprehensive human-edited directory of the Web. It is constructed and maintained by a vast, global community of volunteer editors.” That’s quoted from the Demoz site.

Now, here’s the good news for you (and this is from the Demoz site): “The Open Directory powers the core directory services for the Web's largest and most popular search engines and portals, including AltaVista, A9, AOL, Ask, Clusty, Gagablast, Google, Lycos, MSN, WiseNut, Yahoo and hundreds of others.”

So, doesn’t it make sense that if all those engines get their listings from Demoz (plus from the data their robots gather from crawling sites on the Web), the directory you need to be in is Demoz? And by the way, Demoz doesn’t cost a cent and might take an hour of your time to submit your site. Now, there’s the no-brainer.

IMPORTANT: You do NOT have to understand Dmoz for it to help you. Demoz home page

Just know that if you have a new Web site and you want it to get listed in the search engines your prospects are most likely to use, all you have to do is go to www.dmoz.org, choose the appropriate category for your site and click on “Suggest URL” at the top of the page.

In Part 2, I explain how to choose your category. Part 3 covers how to write your title and description.

Please click here to go to Part 2.

Writing for your success,

Kay Steele Faulk
The Real Estate Copywriter

Author of the forthcoming e-book
"A Copywriter's Guide for Real Estate Professionals -
How to Write & Lay Out Your Own Personal Brochure"
Available April 17, 2008

If you found the above information useful, you might also like my post that was an AR Gold-Star Winner:
What Is a Personal Brochure and Why Should You Care?

Copyright 2008 Kay Steele Faulk. All rights reserved.

 

Comments (20)

Wayne Miller
San Diego, CA

Thank you Kay, this is a great post. 

I get so many calls from people who claim to be able to increase my exposure on the Internet without proof that it works.  Yes, I think it's open season on Realtors and these people know that most of us are suckers. 

Sep 27, 2007 03:05 AM
Foster Smith Summerville
Carolina One Real Estate - Summerville, SC
Summerville & Charleston Homes for Sale SC Realtor
Very Interesting Kay. Thanks for the tips...I am paying someone for a whole SEO package and part of that is submission to search engines...I'm going to look into how much they are charging me for that. Thank you!
Sep 27, 2007 03:06 AM
Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter

Wayne: I think they know that real estate professionals know they need Internet exposure but are not on top of the detailed and most current technical information about how to get that exposure. So they take advantage. It makes me mad because of all the wonderful agents I know who take so seriously their fiduciary obligations to their clients, who are also people lacking in technical knowledge about a specific area (real estate). That's why I wrote this series........Kay

Foster: You're welcome. If they're manually submitting your site to relevant directories (not link farms), they should be able to prove that to you. Don't hesitate to ask........Kay

Sep 27, 2007 03:29 AM
Israel Rothman - upLog.org
SocialMediaSystems.com - Boerne, TX

More and more, it is about syndicating a feed, and, yes, human submission, done carefully, expertly.

I would say it this way; very few vendors do a good job, but, done by a professional, it is well worth what it costs.  Done by most, it is detrimental, not just a waste of money!

Sep 27, 2007 03:41 AM
Bill Gassett
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Hopkinton, MA
Metrowest Massachusetts Real Estate
Kay - I am not sure if it is me or their site but everytime I have ever tried to get added to DMOZ I get an error message at the end after I have spent 15 minutes typing in all my information. I ahve heard from others that it takes forever to get lsited in the site as well. I know it is worthwhile....wish I could get it to work!!
Sep 27, 2007 03:53 AM
Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter

Israel: Amen! Thanks for adding the valuable point that it can even be detrimental.........Kay

Bill: Errors are sooo frustrating after doing all that work! An important tip is to type everything first in Notepad or Word (I prefer Notepad because when you copy the text, there won't be any Microsoft code included when you paste the text wherever you're pasting it.) That way, if you get an error or your browser crashes for some reason, you won't lose all your work.

Also, I can't stress enough the importance of drilling down to the appropriate category for your site's content and following their instructions for title and description to the letter. Plus, read their guidelines regarding site quality. The idea is to conform to what they want to the extent that they rubberstamp you right on in. (About the error: have you tried using a different browser or even a different computer?)........Kay

Sep 27, 2007 04:21 AM
Seth Callen
Farmers Insurance - Lawton, OK
Very useful post.   Until I joined AR, I had no idea of how much could be done online for free. 
Sep 27, 2007 05:04 AM
Bill Gassett
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Hopkinton, MA
Metrowest Massachusetts Real Estate
Kay - I have tried it on two different computers and it did the same thing both times. I fear because I re-submitted it after not working that I broke their rule about not re-submitting- who knows! All I know is I l=would love to get on the site for SEO purposes.
Sep 27, 2007 08:19 AM
Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter

Seth: The Web is an amazing place. But you do have to be careful and check things out thoroughly.

Bill: Well, let me know if I can ever help you. Seems like if there was an error message, your submission did not go through. But of course, I can't know that. I think I recall that you can write them. If you can, it wouldn't hurt to write, explain what happened and ask if you should resubmit, if it's been quite a while. The editors are just people. And that sounds like a legitimate problem to me, not somebody trying to hurry them up. Also you could go to Jill Whalen's forum (see below) and ask her about this.....Kay

Mike: You're quite welcome. Jill Whalen has an excellent SEO newsletter you would profit from. She's widely  respected in the field and is all about common sense SEO. Here is her bio on Wikipedia. And you can sign up for her newsletter at her Web site here. The link to sign up is at the top of the page. Let me know if I can ever help you........Kay

Sep 27, 2007 10:38 AM
Alan Barker
Boomerang Leads - Smithfield, UT
I also have had no luck with DMOZ, I've tried submitting about 4 different times and have been very careful to follow all of their restrictive guidelines. Being that it is a Human edited directory, could it be that local humans who see me as competition will not allow my site to be added? That's the only thing I can think of but, DMOZ will not accept my site Logan Homes for Sale.
Sep 27, 2007 04:21 PM
Nate Alexander
First Team Real Estate - Long Beach, CA
The Long Beach Home Pro

Thanks! I completely forgot about DMOZ! I was doing my web submissions a while back and ran across it but got frustrated trying to submit and dismissed it. (lumped with the link exchangers i think)

Thanks for the reminder!

Sep 27, 2007 04:55 PM
Crystal Freeman
Willow Creek Creative - Eugene, OR
My host provides a simple submission tool that is practically free.  It recommends that we do not force resubmission to DMOZ and a few other picky search engines.  Could the multiple submissions be hurting Mr. Barker's luck with DMOZ?
Sep 27, 2007 07:18 PM
Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter

Alan: First, and most important, Caleb is just too adorable. I love the photo of you two in matching ties. Now back to business: your site is quite nice so that's not the problem. It's not very likely that someone from your locale is an editor, although it's certainly possible. Even so, I think the competition theory is a stretch. It's just not what Dmoz is about.

Plus, if you go to Dmoz and search for "Utah real estate," you'll see there's a wide variety of agents listed, many of whom are probably competitors. I recommend you go to the Dmoz Public Forum where editors are available to answer questions. You have to register (free) to post a question, but you do not have to register to enter the forum and read posts.

Alan, I just looked at the forum and here is a discussion on the subject of editors' conflict of interest and keeping competitors out of Dmoz. Hope this helps...........Kay

Sep 28, 2007 03:24 AM
Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter

Terry: I'm glad you found the infomation useful. Thanks for commenting........Kay

Nate: I think the most frustrating part of Dmoz is finding the right category. That's why I put the link in Part 2 as the best place to start drilling down. Starting there will save you a few steps. And if you compose your title and description in Notepad, then all you have to do is copy and paste once you locate your category.........Kay

Crystal: Yes, the guidelines say that resubmitting slows the process of getting approved. Thanks for commenting........Kay

Sep 28, 2007 11:38 PM
Rita Gibbons
MacDoc Realty LLC - Fredericksburg, VA
The Gibbons Group

Thank you for your post!!  I can't count the number of companies that try to get me to pay for more exposure on the internet!  I just submitted my site to Dmoz and I know this will help.

I appreciate your post and have added you to my associates so I can read more from you.

Rita

Oct 12, 2007 12:56 PM
E J Howard
Website Hugger - Orland Park, IL

Thank you Kay for the extensive writeup.

I skimmed over quite a bit of it because I understand most of what you are advising.

Not long ago I also paid for similar service and there is little or no way to know whether you get your money's worth. The last service also included a slimmed down version of a website that they could never get it to work correctly. Whenever I would go to the website, it would display someone else's photo and not mine. And their promise of high ranking in Google was a farce. I also paid for PPC for a brief period and was totally dissatisfied. From that point on I decided to keep my pocket zipped shut and take the time to learn more about this SEO thing on my own.

In the short time I have been an AR member, I have learned lots, thanks to folks like you; and not to mention that I get a high ranking in Google to boot! And it's all FREE! Can't beat that at twice the price.

Even though so much of this information is 'techy', even a novice can pick up on it rather quickly and learn the basics. Most agents don't need a full blown website or all the other fancy gizmo's that are available. Simple is the best in my opinion. I am just looking to use as few words as possible and get the biggest impact from it. Less to monitor and maintain. 

Keep up the good work!

Nov 28, 2007 07:23 AM
Chris Fisher
Your Virtual Assistant - Concord, CA

I just tried to submit there and I keep getting a message saying I'm entering the verification text incorrectly, even though I don't appear to be.  Any ideas?  They have no contact information for technical support on the site.

Nov 28, 2007 07:40 AM
Retta Absher
RE/MAX Top Realty - Pearland, TX
Pearland Texas Real Estate
Thanks so much for helping me understand the submitting of a url. i have paid and felt really follish afterwards.
Nov 28, 2007 09:00 AM
Elizabeth Nieves
The Elizabeth Nieves Realty Group - Durham, NC
Bilingual Raleigh - Durham North Carolina Real Estate Team
Kay:  What a great overview!!! I'm bookmarking and heading on to read the other parts...GREAT GREAT INFO!!!
Nov 29, 2007 12:08 AM

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