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The 4th Amendment . . . Eroded One Body Scan at a Time

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Industry Observer with RETIRED / State License is Inactive Inactive License Oregon

We all joked in line, as we took off our shoes, our belts, took out our computers -- yup, the joke was:  Pretty soon, we'll be going through the metal detectors naked.

And so it came to pass . . . in the "Land of the Free" and home of the brave.

Invasion of the BODY SCANNERS.

The TSA grew, and who ever's running that scam scan probably has some back-end deals going with the body scanner manufacturers, and government payola.  Think about the TSA having 65,000 employees since inception not even 10 years ago.  That's a HUGE growth industry . . . our tax dollars at work.  Nice.

Yes, let's all focus on "keeping America safe" -- the tagline for this scam.  Keep repeating it, and you'll probably forget that flying is only the beginning. 

Let's have every one boarding a plane turn into a suspect. . . scan them, oh, sorry.  It's a "body image" -- yes, that makes it sound a lot less intrusive.  And if they don't cooperate . . . they MUST be unAmerican.

Don't they "pat down" criminals before they're put into a squad car?

Scan or pat down -- you're pick.  But, when you agree to it, you give up YOUR CIVIL RIGHT. 

Under the United States of America, we have a little something, something called a "Constitution"  The 4th Amendment states:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

When I go through the airport, who signed the warrant to scan me, to pat me down?  Who signed the warrant for probable cause which would include a full body scan, or pat down?   Was that small print somewhere in the ticket I purchased? 

They view my entire body on a scanner, and if I don't like it . . . well, I can get a pat down.  Nothing says "Home of the Free" better than a pat down.  Especially since I only want to go over the hill, and through the woods to Grandmother's house for Thanksgiving.  Say a word in protest . . . assert your 4th Amendment Rights . . . and you're not going to be able to fly.  Nice how government commandered the airline industry.  Why not just send me to the GULAG and get it over with.  Because now, with the 4th Amendment eroded, my 1st Amendment is very close to the chopping block too. 

Because I have metal rods in my left leg, I have to be wanded.  I get that!  I make the metal detectors go off.  But now . . . the 'fear' has gotten to a point of eroding America's civil rights.  I'm 52, in the next 30 years, I won't really give a shit.  But you want your kids getting used to the police-state mentality . . . then do nothing, say nothing, accept, accept, accept.

Pretty soon, any gathering of more than . . . oh, pick a number . . . 100 people will be "justification" to have the magic scanners.  Movie theaters, concert halls . . . oh, it's big business for the scanner companies.  Just think of all the venues to push their product!  Terrorists can hit anywhere . . . let's all crawl under our beds, and never come out!

Last time I checked, the 4th Amendment wasn't repealed folks!  It was enacted when this was truly the LAND OF THE FREE, HOME OF THE BRAVE. 

 

Read YOUR FOURTH AMENDMENT . . . supposedly to guard against unreasonable searches and seizures. 

And shame on all those that pushed this under the noses of Americans and subject our women and children to this.  Last time I checked I wasn't a "subject" to a king, potentate, or ruler.  But, somewhere along the line of skewed thinking, my right to buy a plane ticket and fly has summarily usurped my 4th Amendment  . . . thank you body scanner ruling elite that has us all by our scanned balls.   

I'd like those potentates who pushed this over on us -- making us all subjects -- to go through the scanners . . . I'd like to view a few things of my own.  Mainly, I'd like to see if their cajones are really are big as they think they are!  But, I'm quite sure that all those who hoodwinked us "in your own best interest, keep America safe, rah, rah, rah," only fly in private planes, so it doesn't matter to them.  The masses, I like to call them Americans, can get scanned, and patted down -- or they don't have to fly.  Hmmm . . . is that Marie Antoinette I hear telling us we can all eat cake?  

In the unintended consquence . . . let's hope that people, friends, and family will resent this so much, they'll just MOVE CLOSER TO THEIR LOVED ONES.  Maybe that will help the real estate industry.

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Comments (39)

Andi Grant
310-508-4354 | FirstTimeHomeBuyerRealEstate.com - Los Angeles, CA
Helping 1st time buyers and home sellers in LA!

On one hand we do have to take precautions because it is becoming more and more unsafe to travel. But where is the line of demarcation?  For those who say 911 didn't take away our freedoms I give you TSA body scanners.

It's a jacked up world and becoming worse.  What my future grandkids will have to go through grieves me to think. 

Our world is fast becoming an anti-utopia in it's hopes for it. 

Nov 22, 2010 08:16 AM
Alex Morris - Austin Real Estate Agent
Austin, TX

DNA samples are next.  That's going to be a little awkward.

Nov 22, 2010 04:47 PM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Hi Kathryn . . . very sad, and over-zealous.  Poor kids.  And then I thought about all the grandmas and grandpas travelling too.  We need to strip search our seniors?!?  This is respect we give to our seniors who travel?!? 

Hey Andi -- I've travelled at least 10 times since 9/11, both nationally and internationally.  I felt very safe. 

Hi Alex . . . don't be surprised if that's next. 

Nov 23, 2010 04:30 AM
Eric Kodner
Wayzata Lakes Realty: Eric Kodner Sells Twin Cities Homes - Minnetonka, MN
Wayzata Lakes Realty: Twin Cities, Madeline Island

Carla, Who said anything about "taking guns"?  There seems to be a lot of jumping around from topic to topic in your replies to some of the comments above, and I wrote nothing about gun rights, so I don't understand the comment about taking people's guns away.  It would probably be more productive to discuss this issue rationally, without a lot of unrelated hysteria about "Orwell" or "DNA samples".

I lived and worked in Israel for two years and I am very familiar with airport security measures outside the United States.  When I lived there, we were glad for the security and the searches, because they kept us alive.  I saw the occasional tourist on a "Holy Land Tour" who was shocked to see machine guns carried by military guards at Lod Airport, but those guards kept us alive.

Armed pilots wouldn't have accomplished a thing in the underwear bomber situation.

For the outraged, there are choices.  One would be to forget about flying.  I suppose another would be for all the objectors to be put on separate planes, so they can take the risks they seem to prefer.  But the moment a plane goes down in flames, the survivors of those objectors will be screaming that their government didn't keep them safe.

BTW, the Washington Post reported today that the public supports the use of body scanners by a 64% to 32% margin.  That's not exactly a close margin.

Nov 23, 2010 06:27 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Yes, Eric.  A brave new world.  Those that live by the body scanner . . .

Israel is a much smaller country, with voiced critics on all sides.  What Israel does has nothing to do with our Constitutional rights.  Your point?!?  Ignorance is a two-edge sword. 

BTW most of the public supporting strip searches have no idea what they're giving up, to whom, and for what reasons.  People love to be spoon fed on what they want to pretend reality to be.  It's easier to keep the masses satisified, isn't it?  There, there it's all better now, just go through the machine, cooperate, get strip searched for no apparent reason other than . . . fear.  So I suppose going through a strip search is now patriotic??  Jounalism is a very fickle bitch goddess, as I've said before.   All hail the Washington Post.

Nov 23, 2010 07:15 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

The Yeshiva World "Israel Doesn't Use Body Scanners" On Op-Ed piece by Israeli airport security consultant Rafi Sela. "The current security system in which everyone is a suspect is bound to be ineffective and burdensome. No system can perform efficiently when one is looking for a needle in a haystack by checking each straw individually."

"A leading Israeli airport security expert says the Canadian government has wasted millions of dollars to install "useless" imaging machines at airports across the country.

"I don't know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines. I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747," Rafi Sela told parliamentarians probing the state of aviation safety in Canada.

"That's why we haven't put them in our airport," Sela said, referring to Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport, which has some of the toughest security in the world."  Excerpts from April 23, 2010 article.

Nov 23, 2010 11:32 AM
Laura Giannotta
Keller Williams Realty - Atlantic Shore - Little Egg Harbor, NJ
Your Realtor Down the Shore!

You've certainly got a lot of opinions going on here!  Great blog, and great responses.  I'm on the fence and I don't want to give up any more rights.  But I also think we gave all of rights away with the Patriots Act!  

Nov 24, 2010 01:30 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Hi Laura . . . hmmm, good point.  If the Patriots Act enabled government to do phone taps, etc., and so on, wasn't that supposed to protect us all?  Personally, I think this is just another business decision which has nothing to do with safety for anyone.  It has to do with selling $250,000+ high-tech strip search machines and making everyone believe that if they take their clothes off we're somehow "protected."

 

Nov 24, 2010 04:12 AM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

Carla - there was an article in my paper today about the folks who are exempt from having to go through security. Shouldn't everyone ... and I mean everyone ... who is boarding a commercial flight have to be subjected to the same routine?

Nov 24, 2010 06:24 AM
Renée Donohue~Home Photography
Savvy Home Pix - Allegan, MI
Western Michigan Real Estate Photographer

I have been bitching about this since 2001.  Try having a son and husband look a little "suspicious" when they are 100% American (english and black irish decent.)  My son would loosen everything before we hit the line because he just knew he would be pulled aside.  He was 12 when 9/11 happened.  We also used to drive down to Phoenix quite a bit and we would all hold our breath until we got past the "Federales" (the machine gun guys hanging out at Hoover Dam.)

No fun, we have learned to "deal".  We also like driving - A LOT.

Nov 24, 2010 06:25 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

What they are doing is outrageous and the worst part is they are thinking of giving waivers to Muslims for religous reasons!

It is also great fodder for comedy:

  1. Obama is cutting health care cost with free colon screenings every time you fly!

  2. Do I have to pay extra for the pat down?  Can I go again?

  3. It's not that I'm modest - I'm embarrassed!

  4. The other day I caught my kids playing TSA agent . . .

  5. Perhaps if we hired cheer leaders to do the pat downs . . . ? ? ?
Nov 24, 2010 07:10 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Hi Cynthia . . . Here's what I get:  metal detectors, no vast amounts of liquids, no lethal weapons.   No one should be subjected to the strip searches, or pat downs, unless there is a reason.  There is no reason just because John Q. Public bought an airline ticket, at least it wouldn't be a good enough reason.  It would be 'unreasonable' in my opinion.  Either Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, et al. is doing their jobs, or they're not.  I'm of the opinion, they do their job.  We're either all suspects, or we're not.  Right now, anyone flying at those strip search airports are.  Strange reality.

Hey Renee -- I love the black Irish folk!  You make me realize that if they had these strip searches while my son was a minor and under my parental guardianship, we probably wouldn't have flown anywhere!   Oh come on Renee, your "son" is a smuggled illegal ... 'fess up LOL ;-)

Hi Gene . . . funny jokes!!  It's all we can do is laugh.  There should be waivers for Christians, Jews, Buddists, Hindus etc., etc. too.  I'm sure there's a few pious people who might not  want to "expose" themselves and/or families to this type of thing. 

Nov 24, 2010 07:14 AM
Dawn A Fabiszak
Private Label Realty ( Denver metro area, Colorado - Aurora, CO
The Dawn of a New Real Estate Experience!

Caral ~ wow, great topic of conversation with lots of mixed feelings.  Personally, I understand the gov't wanting to "protect" but I think this has gone overboard.  So what if people feel singled out.  I think the gov't should go back to the profiling.   There was a reason for it.  All this politically incorrectness has really weakened the US.  Maybe I'm wrong?!

 

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!

Nov 25, 2010 07:34 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

I remember reading some where that if given the choice people would give up some of their freedoms for better security. Aren't they one and the same? The sugar coated crap the goverment feeds the sheep people of this country makes me sick. Really what makes me sick is that the majority get behind all this yeah,rah, rah freedom bs.

Fear is the weapon terrorist employ, and it's the same tactic our goverment uses to make us believe eroding our freedoms is protectiing us from these boogie men. Don't ya just love the irony?

Nov 26, 2010 07:53 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Hi Dawn . . . the government should rely on the agencies set up to do the surveillance in the first place.  Israel .. . with "terrorists" on all of her borders don't even use this method of privacy invasion.

Hey James -- The real "terrorists" are Michael Chertoff, and Deepak Chopra (NOT the new age guy Oprah likes).  The evil twin Deepak Chopra runs OSI, and they manufacture "Rapidscan" -- one (of the only two) companies who are manufacturing and selling the body scanners.  Chertoff -- who used to run HOMELAND SECURITY -- started a PRIVATE company and then began . . . contracting with HOMELAND SECURITY  (the agency he JUST LEFT) to buy these body scanners!!  Can you say apparent conflict of interest boys and girls?!?  Chertoff and his entourage went with Obama in their Indian romp a few weeks ago to meet with the evil twin Deepak Chopra in India! 

The SCAMMERS SCANNERS have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with safety of passengers.  It has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MONEY and SELLING FEAR!  Chertoff's company brokers the deal with OSI and TSA.  I'm sure they get very well compensated for using TAXPAYERS' MONEY for the procurement of these stupid machines.  The biggest WASTE is government waste!!

Capt. Sully Sullenberger "Hero on the Hudson" OPPOSES the TSA Body Scanners!  He is speaking out against them 

 

  • Michael Chertoff the former head of HOMELAND SECURITY runs The Jerkoff Chertoff Group which just so happens to "represent" OSI  . . . manufacturer of "Rapidscan"

Nov 26, 2010 10:01 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Carla:  I guess I don't understand all the hysteria.  The TSA folks can do whatever they need to do to me when I fly.  And they DAMN well better do it to everyone else, as well.  You do have a choice.  Take the bus.  Or... to put it the way Harrison Ford put it in Air Force One... "Get the hell off my plane."

Eric in #7 and #23 is right.  He is talking common sense.  So is Leslie in #5:  There is much too much Kool-Aid drinking going on here.

I like Eric's idea about those who refuse scans or pat-downs.  Take another plane.

Maybe we should take a poll of ALL of the relatives of those killed on the two Twin Towers planes, the Pentagon plane, and the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania.  I wonder how all of their relatives would vote.  Whaddya think they would give... what "freedom" would they give up... to have their loved-ones back with them ?

And Gene joking said to have cheerleaders do the pat-downs.  Great idea.  Cheerleaders and those "Chippendale" types... the good-looking dancer guys.  You'd have folks standing in line TO get patted-down.

All I know... is that if I am flying, or my 38 year-old daughter, or anyone else that I love and care about is flying... like I said... you damn-well better scan or pat-down everyone on that plane.  Gawd do I hate mass funerals.

Now... let's see who will try and rip THIS comment apart with hysterical ranting ?

Dec 02, 2010 02:43 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Karen Ann -- the metal detectors would have gone off with box cutters.  They probably did.  They weren't confiscated.  I am still of the thought that citizens don't need to prove they aren't hiding anything.  It's called "probable cause" and without warrent issued, the strip searches are a contradiction to the 4th Amendment.  It took NINE years to get this in place?!?   And from 9/11 until the strip searches began, what was in place?  Did we have mass funerals?  I love the smell of dystopia in the morning.

Dec 02, 2010 06:48 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

I did not delete anything.  I didn't have a chance to read the comment.  I saw the notice of the comment in "YOUR MESSAGES" (which chronicles comments made and received)

Comment on your blog by Mike McCann - Broker Nebraska State Wide Farm Specialist - 308-627-3700 (Mike McCann - Broker, Kearney, Nebraska): On "The 4th Amendment . . . Eroded One Body Scan at a Time"

When I went back to this post to read the additional comments, there wasn't anything there.  So I shrugged it off and thought "Hmmmm . . . he must have deleted it."

If you want to delete your comment #40, that would be okay with me, since it's irrelevant, and I'll in turn, delete this.  As I said, I didn't delete Mike's message.  In the future, if you feel a need to "chastise" me about something you "think" I did . . . do it off board.  I don't appreciate the knuckle rap with the ruler over something perceived.  Especially, since I didn't delete anything.  I'm not even going to get in to the topic of how it's none of your business IF I delete a comment, or not.  BTW, I don't give a shit doodly-squat about what you think is a sign of weakness or strength. 

As the old saying goes, when you assume, you make an ass out of yourself . . . or something like that.

I find this very ironic.

Dec 03, 2010 05:18 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Here's a newer Active Rain member Donna Bosze, and her post: Virtual Strip Searching in Our Airports   Donna writes she's from a "military" area, and states:  "We appear to be going more and more towards a police state. I don't say that lightly as I live in an area full of our wonderful military folks and we ALL are extremely patriotic."

Going through a strip search doesn't make anyone LESS patriotic, and the two concepts should not be confused.

Dec 03, 2010 12:42 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices

Carla,

The most important point is that TSA is not a deterrent to trained terrorists. They at best may stop some weirdos, but this is it.

The whole body scannersSA point, so he jammed through and went to the concourse. They closed the airport, shut all flights for one hour, and they did not find the guy. Not a terrorist, just a regular folk.

TSA is useless for security, But very good to scare the nation.

And if there is a plane to which I can get with not taking my shoes, and going through body scanners, and even metal detectors, I would go there. And do not tell me that my security there will be compromised. Because it will not be.

You can't do two things at the same time. Being politically correct and search everyone so that do not offend people, and providing real security.

Real security is picking anomaly, not blindly searching everyone. So it will not be politically correct. What we do here is calling political correctness the security,

Sorry, but it is BS.

Dec 05, 2010 06:34 PM