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Granite Trumps Structure

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Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

Everyone likes a good game of cards. I enjoy a good game of Go Fish or War with my two girls now and again.  War is a simple game where the highest card wins or trumps the other, lower cards.

I find that when looking at houses certain features trump others in the grand scheme of building new or renovating. This prioritizing is most certainly dictated by budget. There is only going to be so much money in which to accomplish the wants and needs of the new or present homeowners. The wants are complicated by the fact there are usually two people involved "wanting" different features, which can lead to some minor discord.

Crunchy wood from termitesThe big problem with the wants is they sometimes trump the needs. The needs are usually the ugly stuff you can't show off to your friend's. For example that super efficient new boiler which happens to be in the not so attractive basement, over in a far corner hidden by stuff everyone stores in those out of the way places in their home. No one is going to show that to their friends. Well maybe the guy will while the lady of the house dies of embarrassment. This will lead to some more of that minor discord I mentioned after the guests have left.

I recently inspected a home where it was clear no one cared about the needs during a major renovation as much as the wants. The home was beautifully redone inside and out. The quality of the work was good, so there were only some relatively minor issues that came up during the inspection with one big exception.

Sill plate damaged by termitesIn the basement was discovered a significant amount of termite damage. The damage was to about 10 - 12 feet of the rim and box joist and to several floor joists. The amount of damage present didn't occur in a few months, but over the course of many years. What was fairly apparent was the damage had very likely been found during the renovation. There were some very cursory repairs to a few floor joists. In addition the entire ceiling and walls where the damage was found had been painted. The room was roughly finished and was used as a rec room.

Because of the location and amount of damage this is no small or cheap fix. In fact I was present during an estimate by a contractor and the price given to repair was $10,000. That will but a lot of wants.

Let's face it granite counter tops are so much more showy than Formica and who really cares if the floors fall in.

 

 

James Quarello
2010 SNEC-ASHI President
NRSB #8SS0022
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
Former SNEC-ASHI President
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Robert Slick
Beach and River Homes - Georgetown, SC
NRBA, RDCPro, Trident/CCAR MLS

"A little caulk and a little paint can make it look like what it ain't" Buyer beware.

Nov 28, 2010 04:14 AM
Dee Bundy
Fort Collins Realtor @ C3 Real Estate Solutions - Fort Collins, CO
Helping You Make Colorado "Home"

But wait, didn't they paint over it?  I'm sure that reinforced it enough.  Right?... ;)

Nov 28, 2010 04:16 AM
Ross Quintana
Real E Smarter - Spokane, WA
Real E Smarter Real Estate Coach - 509-362-1966

Yeah you have to help you clients see the home fully not just the highlights. This helps them make a better decision.

Nov 28, 2010 04:34 AM
Teri Deane
RE/MAX 100 - Columbia, MD
Realtor, ABR, CRS, SFR - The Deane Team

It's amazing that they thought no one would see this when they tried to sell the home!

Nov 28, 2010 04:47 AM
Eric Michael
Remerica Integrity, Realtors®, Northville, MI - Livonia, MI
Metro Detroit Real Estate Professional 734.564.1519

It's like leasing a couple of new cars ever other year while going further and further into credit card debt. Doesn't make sense.

Nov 28, 2010 05:23 AM
Barbara Hensley
RE/MAX Properties - Rockwall, TX
Homes for Sale in Rockwall County, Texas

Inspections are so important and you have to be prepared to opt out of the home--granite and all--if this is not a wise purchase.  This is a great post.  Thanks for sharing.

Nov 28, 2010 05:46 AM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

James,

I see that all the time. I am told it is a great remodel, but the stupid crawl space has been turned to confetti by anobiid beetles and the oafs either never looked or they are not telling.

Nov 28, 2010 06:11 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

...but fixing the floor would have put the project over budget!

Nov 28, 2010 06:32 AM
James McGary
Agents Set Free, Inc - Irvine, CA

I totally agree with what you just said, "the problem is that most of the time, that wants trump needs."

Nov 28, 2010 07:27 AM
Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally

Jim, that is truly a sad story but one that is entirely the home owners fault. The fact that they did some minor repairs shows that they were aware of the problem, and when presented with the right fix, opted for the casual repair so that the money could be spent on the stuff that shows.

Nov 28, 2010 08:03 AM
Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

Jim,

Now that you have done the inspection, the seller, and his agent, are going to have to disclose this damage and estimated cost of repair, to all prospective buyers, right?

Nov 28, 2010 08:16 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

You saw that I suggested on one of Steve's posts that a little spray shellac before paint can go a long way toward shoring things up so the paint looks better and can cover those pesky soft spots!

Nov 28, 2010 10:27 AM
Gregory Bain
Mezzina Real Estate & Insurance - Little Egg Harbor, NJ
For Homes on the Jersey Shore

Yeah, I've seen a few houses that were flipped by doing the cosmetic stuff. Many of the out of area home inspectors would miss or ignore the structural stuff. good catch.

Nov 28, 2010 11:04 AM
Pat & Wayne Harriman
Harriman Real Estate, LLC (203) 672-4499 - Wallingford, CT
Broker/Owners, Wallingford CT Real Estate

Gee, they must have used that new paint Behr just put out: the "Termite Killing and Wood Regenerating Basement Joist Paint". Of course it's lead based, too...

What a great Wreck Room, I mean Rec Room, that must be!

Nov 28, 2010 11:46 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Barbara, Form over function is a problem I run into a lot.

Claudette, Often those beautiful renovations are hiding some ugly problems.

Irene, You're too funny.

Debbie, An excellent point. The damage was fortunately not near the kitchen.

Glenn, There was a disclosure which of course mentions nothing about termites or the damage.

Michael, I can't say what they thought, but they weren't thinking.

Richie, The buyers weren't terribly disturbed by the damage. It was explained it can be repaired, they of course do not want it paid for from their funds.

Lyn, One of my favorite analogies and very fitting.

Nov 29, 2010 12:24 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Charlie, People can get blinded by their wants and so ignore their needs.

Pat & Steve, Yes it has been my experience many homeowners are unaware of the stuff that is happening in their home.

Steve, Wants I think most often, not always, trump needs.

Livia, Not sure what they think, but the granite makes them temporarily happy.

Robert, The bad contractors mantra :)

Danielle, Yeah, structural paint, great new product---NOT!

Ross, It sure does.

Nov 29, 2010 12:41 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Corinne, Can be a problem.

Teri, Can't say for sure what they thought.

Eric, Yep.

Barbara, Thanks.

Steve, I could see a degree of ignorance when it comes to crawl spaces, not many people will venture there, but this was a full and very accessible basement.

Reuben, and we REALLY want granite counter tops.

James, It does seem to happen waaay too often.

Ed, Exactly.

Steven, Yes they will, but it looks like the deal is going forward, so it may be a moot point.

Jay, Yes I did. Those joists will need LOTS of shellac. ;)

Erica, That is totally understandable. People buy homes that appeal to them visually, but the place still has to be sound.

Gregory, The flips are by far the worst for this kind of stuff.

Wayne, LOL.

Nov 29, 2010 01:00 AM
David Popoff
DMK Real Estate - Darien, CT
Realtor®,SRS, Green ~ Fairfield County, Ct

Let the buyer beware, that's why we have building inspections. Funny that termite damage was not on the disclosure since the homeowners must have known after such an extensive renovation.

Nov 29, 2010 01:19 AM
Nick Tukmanian
RealWorks Residential - Colts Neck, NJ

Great post James. I've personally witnessed many such instances. And your comment, "who really cares if the floors fall in," is something my clients recently dealt with. Thankfully prior to starting granite installations for floors and countertops, they invited an engineer, who recommended additional support be provided from the basement.

Nov 29, 2010 01:21 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

All of us thought so too David. Especially since it was painted over.

RealWorks Guy, Yes often with older structures addition support is recommended for granite. That stuff is heavy!

Nov 30, 2010 12:13 AM