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FHA Secure Loan -- A political move or just being helpful -- The Positives/Negatives

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Mortgage and Lending with Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc

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The biggest thing to remember is that most of this loan is written under the normal FHA guidelines. The FHA Secure loan program will help some property owners, but not as many as one would think. I will explain this part later.

Now the question has been, who does this really help?  Homeowners who might go into foreclosure if they don't get any payment relief? The government or President Bush, telling people that they care?  Possibly some loan officers who can make so more money off those that they gave subprime loans to in the previous years? My estimate?  I would say at least 25% of the loans originated as subprime in the last 5 years could have gone FHA.

Today, Brian Montgomery who is the Assistant Secretary for Housing/Federal Housing Commissioner and Meg E. Burns who is the Director of Single Family Program Development, directed a conference call regarding the FHASecure program. 

 

As I listened to this conference call, I could hear and sense a lot of confused loan officers and underwriters that were part of this call. The main points of the FHA Secure loan program are :

  • The Loan Amount - Still can't be more than the required fha mortgage limits. And the LTV (loan to value) can't be more than 97.75% on a rate and term refinance. But you can have secondary financing, a loan that takes second lien position, up to an any dollar amount. This means that your CLTV can be as high as it needs to be. But the 2nd lien would need to be subordinated by the lender/bank.

          Now, the problem with this is that you need to find a lender that will either do a new second mortgage at this  high ratio or a lender that would be willing to cut some of their losses and subordinate the remainder of their first loan.

  • The borrower must have never been late 6 months prior to their payment/rate adjustment. (At the underwriters discretion, they may allow a late depending on the circumstances.) This can only be a conventional to FHA refinance, not FHA to FHA. This would be known as a FHA Streamline Refinance.  You can be late after the adjustment though. You have to show proof of the adjustment. 
  • You can include all arrearages and all late payments into the payoff as long as it fits under the LTV. But these can be included that were after the rate adjustment, not prior.

 


One major positive --  This can be a great program for those that did 80/20's as a subprime loan. This might help those that have had their values decrease by 10% or so. But they still would need that subprime lender or servicer to subordinate the remaining amount. This could be a big if though.


One major negative -- Many banks and lenders on the servicing side are not with this program as of yet. Think about it, if they had the current loan, why would they want to take a loss at first and a large risk of subordinating anything just to help a client and another lender?  Sure, the lender doesn't want you to go into foreclosure, but this will be on a case by case. The lender currently holding your loan that might have to reduce the payoff to fit under the LTV or allow that client to subordinate the remaining principle. They will have a division that will review each of these loans. And if you listened to many of the loan officers who sell their loans, they said they couldn't find an investor that would buy these loans. There are a few out there, but there aren't many. 

 

 

Conclusion :  This sounds like an awesome program from HUD's viewpoint, but how many lenders are on board. And I am not speaking about those that you would apply with, doing your application with them. Be very careful on who you pick. Make sure that they are FHA approved. You can find a HUD approved lender in your area by going to the following HUD website: http://www.hud.gov/ll/code/llplcrit.html  Make sure that the loan officer understands this program. There are still some wholes in this program that even Mr. Montgomery said that they had to look into. They were even having a conference call with investors on Wall Street to explain this program in more detail, trying to get them to help with this situation.

 

 

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Sean Allen
International Financing Solutions - Fort Myers, FL
International Financing Solutions

Hey Jeff,

Great post. I believe this program is moe of a political move. It isn't going to be able to help very many people.

Sean Allen

Sep 13, 2007 01:08 AM
Thomas Weiss
Thomas R. Weiss - West Palm Beach, FL

Jeff,

This is really helpful, I have been reading everything that I can on this..But info like your comes in very handy , as always...

Thanks,

Tom Weiss

Sep 13, 2007 02:15 AM
Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate
Jeff, glad your back. Good information as usual.
Sep 13, 2007 02:31 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Sean..... I would agree with you on this one. Especially after listening to the conference call and the many lenders on this call that are reading to originate these loans. They can do them on their end, but not too many of them knew of any of the investors that will buy these loans. Sorry, but it kind of sound like a bass-ackward  plan to me.

Tom W.  .........  thanks, I hope it is helpful, because so many loan officers on this conference calls were asking ... well, not smart questions. Both David and Meg said that this program will follow most of the normal underwriting guidelines and then went on to say what will be allowed. 50% of the questions were repeated not only from what David mentioned, but what other loan officers had mentioned.  It was frustrating and wasted about 30 minutes.  But that is the lending business.

Missy.....   thanks, I appreciate that. Not 100% back.... but thanks for the compliment.

Sep 13, 2007 03:02 AM
Desiree Daniels
RE/MAX Tri County - Robbinsville, NJ
Jeff - where were ya?   I was wondering if it had anything to do with that "loss".    Hope all is well .. glad to see you back and posting.
Sep 13, 2007 04:36 AM
Ron Withers ----Retired Mortgage Professional
Kissimmee, FL

Jeff,

Thanks for sharing this information and your thoughts and opinions.  As you know, I made a recent posting about the FHASecure Initiative and expressed my preliminary thoughts and reservations about the long term value of this program.  I have been somewhat "out to lunch" collecting my entire thoughts and developing an opinion.  Again, thanks, you have helped.

Sep 13, 2007 04:43 AM
Tim Bradford
Cleveland, OH
NMLS 250013
I have looked at this program as soon as the Mortgage Letter came out.   According to my Secondary Dept as of yet (9/13/07) they have not found a Lender willing to accept these loans.     Does anyone know anyone that is accepting these loans?
Sep 13, 2007 05:14 AM
Andrew Trevino
ADT Real Estate - Wilkes Barre, PA
Wilkes-Barre Homes For Sale
Jeff, thanks for the explanation. I appreciate all the help I can get on understanding this loan. At first glance, I wonder exactly how many people will actually be helped by it.
Sep 13, 2007 03:00 PM
Thesa Chambers
West + Main - Bend, OR
Principal Broker - Licensed in Oregon
I am reading up to gather my thoughts thanks for the education
Sep 13, 2007 04:21 PM
Gary Miljour
American Financial Network, Inc. NMLS#207208 - Southern Pines, NC
Mortgage Originator NMLS Licensed in AZ and NC

Jeff,

I think the government is trying to take a step to help, and yes they are pandering somewhat, but I just do not see many people coming my way to need this loan.  I had 2 scenarios, that i thought might work with this program and no they won't. 

Do you think this will create much help for anyone?,  just want your feedback.

Sep 13, 2007 04:21 PM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Thanks for this post, it is one of the clearer posts I have read regarding this new loan program.

Now have a Blessed day,

John Occhi, Hemet CA REALTOR®
Mission Grove Realty

Sep 14, 2007 04:16 AM
SHAUN WREN
LICENSE IS NOT PLACED - Lakeland, FL

Great information. I am waiting to get the guideline from our investors.

Sep 14, 2007 08:56 AM
Arlyn Mendoza
HomeServices Lending LLC - South Miami, FL

HI Jeff,

I know that this program won't help everyone, but it will help some. I know that Wells Fargo is on board with this program. Can't say I've gotten too many calls! and honestly not looking forward to being one of the guinea pigs for an insecure underwriter, if you know what I mean. I like the way you always put the pros and cons... keeps things real!

Sep 14, 2007 10:37 AM
Bill Nazur
First Lending Solutions - Riverside, CA

Jeff

Sadly, I think its political..a fraction of the people who are thinking it will be their lifejacket will find out otherwise. I wrote a similar blog when the program came out, and I was very disappointed. On the flip side, Senator Schumer of NY is on the complete opposite side, and believes the government should protect us from ourselves, because mortgage companies, customers, investors, real estate companies, and everyone else aren't able to protect themselves......aaaaagggghhhhhh......its a mess!

Sep 14, 2007 11:08 AM
Lisa Hill
Florida Property Experts - Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Real Estate

I'm a little confused, but it's been a long day and that's why I entrust this stuff to you guys =) I'll sell 'em and you guys can get 'em financed.

smiley

Sep 14, 2007 11:19 AM
Anonymous
mortgage consultant

Hi,

The new FHA Secure program is a great way for home owners who have fallen delinquent on their mortgage payment due to their adjustment regain control. Mr. Clem Ziroli Sr., C.E.O of First Mortgage Corporation, has pionered the program and presented it directly to FHA who has decided to launch the program. If you have fallen delinquent on your mortgage due to your adjustment, and would like to obtain more information on this program or obtain a fixed loan regardless of your lates call 1(866)252-0220 ext. 108 ask for Vince. We here at First Mortgage Corporation believe we have the right program for you!

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Sep 18, 2007 10:58 AM
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Anonymous
Kevin Jones

Jeff:

Do you have or do you know where to find something from HUD stating the below about lates during the 6 months is up to underwriting discretion?

The borrower must have never been late 6 months prior to their payment/rate adjustment. (At the underwriters discretion, they may allow a late depending on the circumstances.)

Good read.

Thanks.

Sep 19, 2007 09:04 AM
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