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Flipping: 6 Things I'd Do Differently

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Upside Down HouseA few days ago, in my blog titled, "You Want to Flip a House? Educate Yourself!", I promised to share some of the headaches I had during my first flip, which I purchased in Cary, North Carolina through a Short Sale .

I acquired the property for $123,000, and it appraised at $147,000 before any work had been started. I eventually sold it for $169,500 to first-time home buyers.

While I did fine with the purchase, it took me a few bumps and bruises to complete the flip. Going through this process has enabled me to help my clients and friends avoid the pitfalls I endured.

Here is what I wish I'd done differently...

  1.  Gotten a Mentor. Whenever one embarks on a new adventure, it is often helpful to have a mentor. I didn't have one! Huge mistake. I had taken classes and read books, so I thought I knew enough to be successful. The truth is, I knew just enough to be dangerous!

    A mentor would've been able to keep me out of trouble--and could've helped me save a lot of time, and money, which was my reason for buying the flip in the first place.
  2. Negotiated Better with the Banks. Yes, banks with an "s". There were two mortgages from two separate companies--meaning two different sets of decision makers. I wish I would've spoken with a manager in each bank earlier in the process, rather than the "customer service" people who had no decision-making authority. Because I didn't do that, the purchase process alone took nearly 6 months! My Short Sale was not so short. (Ideally, the best situation would be to purchase a home that has only one mortgage--and thus, only one party to negotiate with during the process.)

    The first lien holder bent over backwards to work with me; However, the second lien holder tried to play hard ball. (I'm not sure why, though, because if the property did get through the entire foreclosure process, the second mortgage is extinguished--meaning that they get absolutely nothing!) In the end, I was able to get the second mortgage down from $35,000 to $3,000. So, I guess 6 months was worth the wait!
  3. Repairs: Quite simply, I paid too much. I went into the property with the mindset that I wanted to make it as nice as possible. Don't get me wrong...nice is good! However, I went over the top. Before I started rehab, I should've assembled a strong team of painters, carpenters, a plumber, etc., that would give me a huge discount on the work I needed to have done. I was able to negotiate a discount on some items, but for the most part, I paid retail prices. Not good!
  4. Learning to do some work myself. If I knew how to change light fixtures and faucets, I could've saved myself quite a bit in labor. Instead, I paid a handyman company nearly $700 for labor.
  5. I paid too much for items like the stove, new front door, ceiling fans, etc. At the time, I didn't realize that the local Habitat for Humanity of Wake County has a store where they sell discounted household items such as flooring, appliances, windows, plumbing fixtures, and lighting. Also, check out this blog on Habitat by Keller Williams agent Mike Jaquish.
  6. I didn't have a survey or a home inspection! Today, since I'm a Realtor, I would definitely know to get a home inspection. However, since I found this property without the assistance of a Realtor before I had a real estate license (and was determined to purchase it regardless of what the reports said), I neglected to have inspections. Silly me!!  

    I had no idea that because I didn't have a survey, there were exclusions in my title insurance policy, including encroachments. Also, because I didn't have a pest inspection completed, I later found out the house had termites. Thank goodness there was no serious damage to the structure! However, this "oversight" cost me $800 I hadn't planned to spend.

Oh, the lessons I learned! Thanks for stopping by today...Email or call me if you have questions about flipping a property in my area.

Darleen McCullen, Realtor, Broker
Keller Williams Realty
Phone: 919.454.8864
Email: darleen@darleenmc.com

Copyright © 2007 - Darleen McCullen

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Comments(27)

Darleen McCullen
Raleigh, NC
Broker - Raleigh, NC Real Estate

Kim, I'm sorry to hear this happened to your friend. As they say, "sometimes you don't know what you don't know!" I guess it's called Life. Sometimes clients ask me how do I know about XYZ, and it's because of those little, hard lessons learned (unfortunately). Thanks for stopping by!

Sep 17, 2007 09:03 AM
Esko Kiuru
Bethesda, MD

Darleen,

That was a good lesson and now makes you so much better at flipping. Your post is must reading for anyone thinking about investing in real estate. These are good basic steps to know even for home buyers, like the inspection, repairs, replacing items at what cost and what can you fix yourself.

Sep 17, 2007 02:52 PM
Keith Elliott Jr
KEIRE Realty Group - Manassas, VA
Principal Broker/Owner

Hi Darleen,

I'm surprised that you neglected the benefits of doing a Starker Exchange (1031 tax exchange). Using one for flipping is the best way to go since it defers your capital gain until down the road. That's when you reinvest the proceeds into house #2 and do it all again.

It doesn't really matter how much you gain if you aren't taking the precautions to save as much as you can down the road.

-Keith

RE/MAX Olympic, Manassas VA

www.MyRealtorKeith.com

 

Sep 17, 2007 03:25 PM
Darleen McCullen
Raleigh, NC
Broker - Raleigh, NC Real Estate
Hi Esko. Thanks! I hope that others can learn from the things I wish I would've done differently. Thanks for stopping by!
Sep 17, 2007 03:26 PM
Sharon "Toni" Brown
Exit Realty United - South Ozone Park, NY
South Ozone Park - New York City Real Estate
Great Post Darleen, flipping is a dirty word in some of these markets.  Thanks for a concise, informative post.
Sep 18, 2007 12:36 PM
Darleen McCullen
Raleigh, NC
Broker - Raleigh, NC Real Estate

Sharon, say it isn't so!! I don't see "flipping" is seen as a dirty word. Without the services of many, hard-working and honest investors, houses would sometimes go unattended with high grass, broken windows, etc.--which essentially brings down the neighborhood values. What I did with my flip was go in, whip the yard into shape (that, by the way, had not been cut in 5-6 months), paint the property and increased the value of the neighbor's house. Also, the property made a nice, starter home for a couple who otherwise may not have had funds to go in and complete the work themselves.

Sep 18, 2007 01:50 PM
Debbie Malone
Londeree's Real Estate & Property Management - Lynchburg, VA
From Lynchburg To The Lake (434) 546-0369

Excellent Post Darleen! Anyone starting out should have a mentor, it's too easy to get carried away making a flip too nice for the potential return. You must have a team of subs you can depend on. I have a friend who just finished his first flip. Lowe's had a large assortment of lighting fixtures marked down to $5 & 10 dollars and he bought them all, some to use on this first house and the rest for the future. Always be on the lookout for an opportunity!

Sep 22, 2007 12:01 AM
Darleen McCullen
Raleigh, NC
Broker - Raleigh, NC Real Estate
Debbie, thanks for the compliment! Also, thanks for sharing the Lowe's tip. I have heard that Lowe's and Home Depot mark down their products on certain days, which is an excellent time to stock up, as you mentioned. For instance, the Lowe's in my area does its markdowns on Friday evenings.
Sep 22, 2007 07:30 AM
Tracy Santrock
Santrock Realty Group Inc. , - Cary, NC
Raleigh - Cary Broker

Darlene -

I'd love to see pictures of your flip.  I'm also really surprised that you sold a house(I'm assuming it was a house)  for 169,500.  There aren't a lot of SF Homes for that price in Cary!!

Is that a picture of a flip flop at the top? 

 

Sep 24, 2007 12:13 AM
Darleen McCullen
Raleigh, NC
Broker - Raleigh, NC Real Estate

Hi Tracy, yes it was a house I flipped in Cary. And you're right, there isn't a lot for sale in that area for that price there. I didn't want to be "greedy" on the asking price, and since I had such a huge profit margin, I discounted the price a tiny bit.

Relating to the picture...I'm not sure what that is at the top, but it could very well be a flip flop. (Now, I'm starting to feel like Dr. Seuss!) :-)

Thanks for stopping by!

 

Sep 24, 2007 04:58 AM
Cynthia Tilghman, Realtor® Onslow County NC Home Specialist
Kingsbridge Realty, Inc - Hubert, NC
Hi Darleen,
Experience is the very best teacher and where we learn the lessons we never forget.  Sounds like that happened with you and you had a positive outcome.  Win/Win.
Sep 25, 2007 12:35 AM
Darleen McCullen
Raleigh, NC
Broker - Raleigh, NC Real Estate
Hi Cynthia, yes, experience is the best teacher. My flip turned out fine, but now that I look back, I'm amazed at what I didn't know!
Sep 25, 2007 08:03 AM
Thomas McGiveron
BangThePhones.com - Sayville, NY
Thomas McGiveron Lic. R.E. Broker Associate

It's amazing that there's a ton of people out there that are getting into real estate investing and they don't know the first thing about title insurance, need for a current survey, appraisal process, financing, etc.

Crazy.  Good article.

Sep 25, 2007 03:13 PM
Darleen McCullen
Raleigh, NC
Broker - Raleigh, NC Real Estate
Hi Thomas. Sad but true! There are folks who sort of "fall into" investing like I did. I had educated myself but when it came to doing the first deal, I thought I knew enough and could circumvent some of the process. Experience is definitely the best teacher. And sometimes, I think that we go through things so we can teach others so that they can avoid our mistakes.
Sep 26, 2007 07:57 AM
Gregory Corbett
Resource Mortgage - Virginia Beach, VA
Resource Bank
Great post, very informative. I have run across some of the same problems myself. My problem was I told my contractors what I was willing to pay and rather than him telling me that it couldnt be done for that or we may go over budget he just says "ok, we can do it". Well its a darn good thing I budgeted for ten thousand over what I said I was willing to pay because low and behold he came in $11,300 over budget. Now this one needed considerable work but I am sure glad I budgeted for that or I would have been severely hurting after that little budget buster. I wont use them again
Sep 26, 2007 08:33 AM
Faina Sechzer
Henderson-Sotheby's International Realty - Princeton, NJ
Real Estate Expert - Princeton, Montgomery ,Hopewell, NJ
Darleen -thanks for the very informative post. I never did flipping, because of lack of reliable contractors at reasonable prices. There are many contractors that already have ties with realtors and investors and work exclusively for them, because these people give them most of their business. it's hard coming in new into this.
Sep 26, 2007 11:47 AM
Faina Sechzer
Henderson-Sotheby's International Realty - Princeton, NJ
Real Estate Expert - Princeton, Montgomery ,Hopewell, NJ
Darleen -thanks for the very informative post. I never did flipping, because of lack of reliable contractors at reasonable prices. There are many contractors that already have ties with realtors and investors and work exclusively for them, because these people give them most of their business. it's hard coming in new into this.
Sep 26, 2007 11:47 AM
Don Eichler
Eichler Properties - Granbury, TX

Darleen, You did good one lessons learned, it will make the next one that much better and quicker.  There are always exceptions on the title policy that are on everyone.  I have seen experts that sometimes don't do as well as you did on this one.  I have been at it for a number of years and I still learn each time somthing new.   Don

Sep 26, 2007 02:17 PM
Patrick Brady
The Danberry Co., Realtors - Sylvania, OH
I certainly learned quite a bit on my first flip as well.  The one thing that I would like to add it about performing the work yourself.  Once you start doing the work yourself, you feel like you can do it all.  This takes you away from working to find the next flip.  It can also slow down the process.  The speed that you can get the home on the market is sometimes more important than saving a few bucks.
Oct 05, 2007 08:15 AM
Darleen McCullen
Raleigh, NC
Broker - Raleigh, NC Real Estate

Patrick, You make a great point about evaluating whether to do the work or to hire someone to do it.

Oct 05, 2007 12:20 PM