Why Some Short Sale Banks Demand a Higher Sales Price Than the Market Supports

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Real Estate Agent with RE/MAX Gold DRE #00697006

sacramento short sale agentI go out of my way to be nice to BPO agents with whom I come in contact for my Sacramento short sales. I might wonder to myself how they can survive in a tough real estate market like we have in Sacramento by earning only $50 to $100 per BPO, but I also give them credit for hanging in there and toughing it out.

It's the BPO agents who establish value on my Sacramento short sales for the lenders. If the BPO comes in too high, the bank might not grant the short sale. Over the years of selling short sales in Sacramento, I pretty much know the discount each bank will take. Because not every bank demands to get market value. Many agree to a discount, because they realize it takes so long to approve some of these short sales, they need to give the buyer an incentive to wait through the short sale process. Otherwise, buyers would avoid short sales and buy only foreclosures.

I have had circumstances in which I have challenged the bank's BPO and won. As a Sacramento short sale agent, I know that pricing the home correctly in the first place is key. Most of the time, the science of comparable sales applies. But sometimes, only the art of market movement, the dance, applies. Or it can be a combination of the two. I received short sale approval for a home in Sacramento last month that had no comparable sales. Zero. Nothing in the vicinity. And it was around a half million, which makes it equally difficult because there aren't as many buyers in that price range as below it. Talk about tough valuation.

Unfortunately, market value is not always the driving factor when a bank rejects a short sale. I have another Bank of America short sale under negotiations at the moment, in which the bank initially demanded a price about 20% higher than the home is worth. A buyer's lender -- even if a buyer agreed to pay that price -- would never get an appraisal at that price. On the surface, it would appear that the bank does not want to do the short sale, but it does. The problem is net investor requirements. Once we addressed that little scenario, the bank dropped its price in line with the comparable sales.

But just because a bank demands a certain price doesn't mean the bank believes that is what the home is worth. It might mean the bank doesn't want to or can't afford to do the short sale. There is no law that says a bank must grant a short sale.

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Elizabeth Weintraub is co-partner of Weintraub & Wallace Team of Top Producing Realtors, an author, home buying expert at The Balance, a Land Park resident, and a veteran real estate agent who specializes in older, classic homes in Land Park, Curtis Park, Midtown, Carmichael and East Sacramento, as well as tract homes in Elk Grove, Natomas, Roseville and Lincoln. Call Elizabeth Weintraub at 916.233.6759. Put our combined 80 years of real estate experience to work for you. Broker-Associate at RE/MAX Gold. DRE License # 00697006.

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Comments (7)

Pat Champion
John Roberts Realty - Eustis, FL
Call the "CHAMPION" for all your real estate needs

Great information for buyer's to know I always let my buyer's know upfront the Bank doesn't have to approve the short-sale. Thanks for sharing.

Jan 01, 2011 03:52 AM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster REALTORS®, Gainesville, VA - Bristow, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

I've got two short sales right now that are condos where the BPOs came in way too high and there is no reasoning with the bank, or bringing cash to closing.  In fact, one neighborhood where one of the listings is located is having this problem with all of it's short sales.  The last sale was in July and that's all the appraisers/BPO agents see.  Meanwhile, run a market analysis for condos in that county and prices fall off a cliff after July.  So the buyers move from listing to listing, writing ressonable market value offers only to have the banks reject them.  It's insane.

Jan 01, 2011 04:17 AM
Marcy Moyer
eXp Realty of California Silicon Valley Probate, Trust, and Investment Sales - Mountain View, CA
Probate, Trust, and Investment Specialist

Elizabeth, I have been saying it is the investor stupid for many months.  I do a few bpo's a month, not enough to make a living at it, but enough to keep keep my fingers in the valuation pot. I actually enjoy doing them, but then I am weird.  Anyway, what I say something is worth is not always what an investor will take. I did a BPO a few months ago on a duplex that I valued at 425K.  A few weeks later an irrate listing agent called me and asked how I could say the duplex was worth 500K. I I hadn't, but the counter came back from the bank at 500K. I was at a B of A short sale seminar where the head of short sales said the investor does not always care what the BPO came in at. They want what they want.

Jan 01, 2011 01:41 PM
Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate

I've had banks raise the price on 2 of my short sales lately.

One I think just went with the first offer that was submitted and it was higher in the summer.

The buyers are OK with the price, but now we are told USDA is out of money and won't be funded again until mid January. Both lenders have given us an extension of Jan. 21st so it will be close.

Note to self: Do not accept a USDA offer on a Short Sale, they are both slow.

Happy New Year, Elizabeth!

Jan 01, 2011 03:21 PM
Melissa Zavala
Broadpoint Properties - Escondido, CA
Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County

Well said. I've experienced that a few times as well. On another note, I wanted to ask you now that you have your MacBook (I think you told us in a blog that you bought one, right?) did you buy a new business card scanner? And, if so, which one and do you like it? I'm beginning to do my research and remember you spoke very highly of a business card scanner earlier in the year. But, I think you migrated to Apple since then. 

 

Jan 01, 2011 04:44 PM
Trent Chapman
Keller Williams -New Future Team - San Marcos, CA

Banks know the BPO is inflated.  I have had conversations with BPO agents who have even been told to increase their BPO value as the bank didn't think the value submitted was "high enough".  From one agent, I was told that he gave the bank one value and then the bank employee told the listing agent that the BPO had come in $20K higher!

Of course, complaining about it doesn't change much and talking to the 'bank employee' doesn't either.  The only way I have been able to get the bank to come off of an over-inflated value is by getting true and accurate comps on an easy to read spreadsheet into the hands of... (listen carefully, this is the kicker) someone who has the power to adjust the value in the system AND understand simple math and real estate evalauation. 

Why does the bank like to see high BPOs?  It gets most agents to counter buyers to an insanely high price... and for the most part, the buyers do come up a little.  If buyers never increased their offers, banks wouldn't be so stuck on this 'negotiation tactic' (AKA lie) that the value is much higher than the offer that was submitted.

Hope this helps for next time you fight the banks on BPO value.

Trent

www.TheShortSaleGenius.com

Jan 01, 2011 06:26 PM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Realtor Top 1%
RE/MAX Gold - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Hey Chris Ann: I have a similar situation on a condo. The bank asked for 25% more. I submitted comps to substantiate the sales price. Then it came down to within reason but still not low enough. We paid for an independent appraisal, which, amazingly enough was higher than the sales price. So, we took the appraisal to the buyer and asked her to cough up, and she did.

Hi Marcy: Yes, they want what they want, and the BPO can be damned. That's what people find so difficult to understand. They keep thinking the bank is crazy because it is demanding such a high value. No, the bank isn't crazy. The investors want what they want.

Hi Missy: Oh, I hear ya on the USDA. I also have a Section 184 on a short sale in which we have 2 loans, for crying out loud, and somehow I'm supposed to get both lenders to agree to a 60-day escrow to fund this darn thing. Plus, the buyers switched lenders midstream. Oh, put me out of my misery.

Hi Melissa: Yes, I did get a Mac Pro laptop. And I bought the same type of scanner which apparently didn't exist when I bought the PC version for my Sony. Scansnap now makes a cross platform mobile scanner. It's an S1300 and costs around $250.

Jan 02, 2011 03:57 AM

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