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Short Sale update - Seconds are pursuing sellers and Realtors are being sued for giving legal advice

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Real Estate Agent with McConnin & Company Realty

Two short sale reports today...

1.  I know national short sale educators say that seconds are not going after the sellers after short sales.  I have even spoken to the other half of one education team and told them I have clients who have been facing collection actions.  Nevertheless they have continued with their assertion. 

 

here is an email I just received via email on active rain...

HELOCs and short sales (Sent via Activerain)

This is offically no fun. Our short sale recorded (date withheld). I had reassurances for multiple people that our purchase money HELOC from Chase was non-recourse. (Not from any laywer in writing though) Now their collection company, (name withheld for privacy reasons), is calling. They say because we didn't foreclose that we are not protected. I don't see anywhere in CCP 580b that seconds are excluded. Have you seen any case law yet?

 

2.  A national short sale negotiation company just told me two days ago that there are plaintiff's firms in CA suing Realtors for giving legal advice during short sales. 

Which is why they are bringing lawyers into their system.  You may have seen their email blasts. 

 

 

 

 

Linda Graves Arnold
Coldwell Banker Gundaker-St. Louis, MO - Chesterfield, MO
St. Louis Real Estate Pro - 314-422-2762 - Referr

Seeing seconds going after sellers is certainly a disturbing trend.  Aren't there already enough problems with short sales.  Eegads.. not wild about getting tagged for giving legal advice either.  Short sales are getting even less fun by the day.

Jan 10, 2011 09:46 AM
Valarie Kubacki
Prime Real Estate - Valparaiso, IN
Broker Associate, CDPE - 5Star

This stuff is so scary anymore.  You read one report one day and the home owners are going after the banks on foreclosures next day the short sales.  I always get the letters from any liens and paperwork from the bank and tell them that they should have atty and accountant look at them because I am no legal expert.

Jan 10, 2011 09:58 AM
Tni LeBlanc, Realtor®, J.D.
Mint Properties, Lic. #01871795 - Santa Maria, CA
Tenacious Tni (805) 878-9879

Short sales are a complicated landscape.  Thanks for the update John.  As usual you are on the cutting edge of this issue.  Tni

Jan 10, 2011 05:13 PM
Trent Chapman
Keller Williams -New Future Team - San Marcos, CA

You're exactly right.  In CA it's irrelevant that a second was 'purchase money'... if your approval letter says 'release of lien' and says nothing about releasing the liability, your client now has MORE liability than had they let the purchase money first foreclose and wipe out the second  (CA CCP Section 580(d) does not apply to short sales). 

We have been telling agents for 3.5 years now, READ THE APPROVAL.  Don't ever tell your client, 'you have a purchase money loan, you're fine'.  Let their attorney tell them whether they are fine or not. 

CA CCP Section 580(d) only applies if the home forecloses... so use that as leverage to get the second to include the verbiage, "agree to release the seller of all liability".  As I explained here, CA lawmakers tried to include purchase money seconds in SB 931, which covers first liens, but the Governator vetoed it and so the final bill only helps with first liens.

 

Trent

TheShortSaleGenius.com

Jan 10, 2011 05:49 PM
Melanie Ross
Coldwell Banker Solano Pacific - Benicia, CA
Benicia CA & Vallejo CA Real Estate, 707-319-2828

That approval letter is what needs to be thoroughly read and the client review it and their attorney.  IF the words are not there for release of pursuing a deficiency, then one better be up front with their clients.  It is the clients choice however they need to understand what it says!

Jan 11, 2011 10:07 AM
Jim McNinch
Trademark Loss Mitigation - Spring, TX
Short Sale Specialist, Texas

I think this is another reason we, as agents working with short sales, need to be very sure we understand the entire process and fully disclose the potential liabilities to our clients.  Some of us get into trouble, not by intentionally leaving out the potential liability, but because we don't always understand them

Jan 17, 2011 04:40 AM