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Did I commit fraud on my mortgage application?"

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Mortgage and Lending with Bank of Oregon a division of Willamette Valley Bank

Did I commit fraud on my mortgage application?

I was having my weekly meeting with a circle of Realtors this morning and some discussions were going around with regard to potential buyer fraud during the course of the transaction.  After our meeting, I forwarded this blog post to all of the agents who were involved in this discussion.  Because of the timing, I thought what better time to repost this here. 

 

Did I commit fraud on my mortgage application?

 

It came to my attention recently that it appears many folks possibly aren't being coached or taught properly as to what you, as the borrower should be, and more importantly, should NOT be doing, before, during and after the mortgage application process.  In this post, let's get into some important information with regard to potential fraud on a mortgage application.

It's  important for borrowers to understand that any change they make to their current credit, financial, or employment picture could very well have a negative effect on their ability to secure the financing they are seeking.  I'm sure the last thing that any borrower wants to hear is that several weeks into the lending process, their loan was declined due to lending policies and protocol they weren't even aware of.

In light of this, I'd like to offer the following in hopes this will save anguish and grief to those who may be seeking to obtain a new mortgage loan and want to avoid any potential fraud with regard to the mortgage application.

 

I just recently spoke with a potential client who was unable to secure financing with the lender she had been working with for the past few months because in this case, her employment status had changed.  Just weeks before the close of escrow date on the purchase, it was learned that this borrower had gone from being a salaried wage earner, to now being self employed.  You may ask yourself, "So, what's the big deal?  If there's still a job, why can't the bank still lend the money?"  The answer to that may not be as simple as one would think.

 

In this case, the client remained in the same line of work.  So simple, right?  Actually, no.  The typical rule of thumb when lending to a self employed individual is that the lender will want to evaluate two years worth of tax returns in order to determine income eligibility.  So in the above case, because this client just recently put themselves on a self employed status, of course, there aren't tax returns available to determine what newly self employed earnings even exist.  Again, you may ask yourself "I don't understand the problem.  If the client is in the same line of work, and they've been doing that job for a significant period of time, why won't the bank lend the money?"  Well, let's look at it this way.

Let's say you are a baker for a local grocery store in their bakery department.  At the beginning of your loan application you provided your mortgage lender with current pay check stubs and your W-2's for the previous two years.  So, sometime during the mortgage approval process you think to yourself, "heck, I'm one of the best bakers here at the bakery, I bet I can make more money selling my cakes and cookies on my own rather than just working for the bakery department!"  While you may be the best cookie and cake baker out there, merely having the skills to bake a cake, doesn't necessarily mean one has the ability to run their own business.  There are licensing requirements, food safety and health issues, and all of those things would currently be on the shoulders of the grocery store.  That is their liability issue, not yours as the employee.  So, from a lender's point of view, they have no way of knowing or verifying how well this business is going to succeed, since there is no documented history of it.  Make sense?

 

So, with regard to the actual client I cited.  After they understood the "why" obtaining financing would be most impossible due to the newly self employed status, I offered suggestions as to how we could possibly proceed in still obtaining a loan approval, providing they went back into a W-2 status.  The lender would require a very good letter of explanation regarding this.  In this case, unfortunately, the client wasn't willing to proceed as per my suggestion.  Instead, they gave me reason to believe (verbal information they provided to me over the phone) that documents could in essence be "manipulated" to indicate they were still salaried.  They wanted no one to be the wiser they were really self employed.

 

So, several problems occurred because of this.  Falsifying of any credit documents or providing misleading or false information on the mortgage application can be flagged as fraud.  Regular pre-closing and post-closing audits are conducted on mortgage files.  Should an audit determine fraud on the mortgage application was involved, not only could the lender call the note "due and payable", but parties involved in the transaction could face prosecution.Karen Burket Bank of Oregon Home Loans

Consumers should also be aware of that many lending and bank institutions' employees are required to report any suspicious activity through the SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) or similar, reporting system.

I believe it's the goal of all lending institutions and their employees to make the mortgage process as easy and seamless for all parties involved, and I believe the best way to achieve that is for the borrower to be educated in what's involved.  In addition, I feel it's important for the lending professional to successfully coach their clients as to potential pitfalls that may occur during the process, or even after the transaction has closed. 

Comments(132)

Pam Dent
Gayle Harvey Real Estate, Inc. - Charlottesville, VA
REALTOR® - Charlottesville Virginia Homes / Horse

Karen - I had this conversation recently with a client who thought they could state that the home was going to be their primary residence, when they weren't sure whether they were actually going to live in the home or not.  I explained about the penalties of committing mortgage fraud.

Jul 03, 2011 12:51 PM
Karen Crowson
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Rancho Bernardo, CA
Your Agent for Change

My clients recently raised a similar question. They are buying a home - one they are downsizing to.  They will be renting it out, and already have a 3 year track record with another property as landlords. But the bank is insisting they have a higher interest rate, and non-owner occupant status.  But they really are owner occupants. They had a signed agreement with a property management firm to rent their house.  So, you're putting 'owner occupant' on all of your documentation.  But the bank is stating you are 'non-owner occupant'.  Who is committing fraud?

Jul 03, 2011 01:26 PM
Curt Harrington
Long Beach, CA

This problem happens a lot, and across the boards.  When people begin to have a "personal relationship" with their representative, they begin to come clean about many of the lies they told at the beginning of the relationship.  THIS DESTROYS EVERYTHING.   It changes your approach, it may destroy the work done, it causes you to report it, it causes you to withdraw, and the client is probably in a worse position than if he/she had never hired you and never took action to begin with.

Suggestion:  Make a pre-agreement that the client signs promising (1) everything they tell you is true, (2) they are liable for any mis-statements, (3) they understand the penalty for ...... ((( you name it, real estate fraud, lender fraud, bankruptcy fraud, tax fraud, etc etc etc))).   This letter will help insulate you.

However, you should also have in your own standard letter something like "hey, things can change".. You are likely to lose your loan approval if you (a) change jobs, (b) get a divorce, (c) develop an incurable disease, etc etc... and that you have a duty to tell.

I know.  When so much effort is spent schmoozing a client to sign on, they don't want to hear it, but it could save YOU (the professional) TONS of otherwise wasted time and maybe avoid having to hire a criminal lawyer.

Jul 03, 2011 01:40 PM
Tim Woodcock
ReMax Centre City Realty Inc. - London, ON

Great post Karen !  The days of being able to obtain financing by means of stretching the truth so to speak on a mortgage application are definitely over !  If you can't qualify for the financing straight up then you are spinning your wheels and wasting your agent's time.

Jul 03, 2011 03:54 PM
Karen Burket
Bank of Oregon a division of Willamette Valley Bank - Medford, OR
Valley Mortgage Grou, Conventional, FHA, VA, mortgages

Thank you all for your comments!  I PROMISE..After the Holiday weekend I will respond to each one of you individually.  

All the best to all of you!  Wishing you all a Happy and SAFE July 4th celebration.  Let's all Celebrate our Nation's Birth and give thanks to the men and women in uniform who continue to keep us safe and ensure our freedoms. 

Best to all of you,

Karen 

Jul 03, 2011 04:41 PM
Camelia Vera
Arcadia, CA

Dear Karen,

Kudos to you for not wanting that extra commission and keeping your integity. I once had to ask my client to fire me (their agent) or fire the lying lender. I told them I was perfectly fine with them firing me because their lender admitted to me he was going to lie to get them a loan. I guess he felt comfortable revealing that to me. Perhaps other agents looked the other way. Not this agent! I did try to qualify them with another lender but in the end, they just did not qualify. No deal is worth my license! And no I did not refer them to another agent either! Don't know if they did follow through with that lender and another agent.

Best to you in your business!

Jul 03, 2011 05:30 PM
Gwen Kelly
Broadmoor Realty, Inc - Long Beach, CA
Long Beach, CA Real Estate

Great informative post Karen!  It seems evident from our current financial problems that many people do have a determining "right" from "wrong", which is unfortunate.  Keep up the good work!

Jul 03, 2011 05:56 PM
Lynne Ruffin
Lynne RUFFIN - Norfolk, VA
Web Styles

Karen,

I enjoyed reading your post it is very well written, informative and best of all easy to follow.  Thanks for sharing your epxerience.

Jul 03, 2011 10:49 PM
Anonymous
Sandro Gonzalez
Great article, as I read it I thought to myself "I sure hope professional Realtors know basic lending practices.". I make it my business to learn as much as I can about the lending process and potential pitfalls.
Jul 04, 2011 01:03 AM
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Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

Thank you for the informative blog, i wish all potential buyers could read it before taking the plunge into getting a mortgage, it is important for their agentto educate them on hoe the mortgage process works and what is or is not acceptable

Jul 04, 2011 01:37 AM
Rob Hurst
KenCom Real Estate - Bulverde, TX
Real Estate Broker, Kendall & Comal Counties

Thanks for the good info Karen.

We must always be watchful for the betterment of all concerned.

Jul 04, 2011 02:33 AM
Karen Steed
Tallapoosa, Bremen, Waco, Buchanan, Temple, Carrollton - Tallapoosa, GA
Associate Broker Haralson Realty

THe loan qualification process is much more difficult today.  If someone wants to commit fraud, I think that will be more difficult also.

Jul 04, 2011 08:10 AM
Pat & Steve Pribisko
Keller Williams Greater Cleveland West - Westlake, OH

Great post.  These days we even have to remind our Buyers not to make large purchases before the transaction closes. 

Jul 05, 2011 02:15 AM
Mike Lesmeister
CMG Financial - Houston, TX
CRMS, CMPS

Great post! Most borrowers don't understand what a "change in financial condition" means. This is a great primer!

Jul 05, 2011 03:30 AM
Melanie McLane
The Melanie Group - Williamsport, PA

Great post! I am a real estate instructor and use the following (true) story to illustrate how significant a change is, right up until closing--the loan officer, who knew the borrower, said: "Gee, you look down in the dumps--what's up?" (this is at the closing table!) He said: "I just got laid off." She promptly shut down the closing, took her papers and the money and went back to the bank.... The sad thing is how many people in our industry have "helped" borrowers commit fraud!

Jul 05, 2011 03:58 AM
Jan Green - Scottsdale, AZ
Value Added Service, 602-620-2699 - Scottsdale, AZ
HomeSmart Elite Group, REALTOR®, EcoBroker, GREEN

I read your original post and am glad you reposted this.  It's always a good idea to get good facts out there, and often!  Best of luck to you!

Jul 05, 2011 04:50 AM
Talena Noriega
Kenneth Brown, Licensed Real Estate Broker - Bronx, NY

Hi Karen,

I once had clients who made an insanely small amount over the maximum allowed for a specific mtge program they wanted, and the loan officer told them to, let's say, "embleish" their application.  That was the first time I heard of loan officers "suggesting" what needed to be put onto the application in order to get the deal closed.  I made it very clear not only to the clients but also to the loan officer as well, that everything they submitted needed to be 100% accurate. Sometimes the deal is killed in the process, but it's just not worth being associated, or party to, anything that isn't 100% up-and-up.

Jul 05, 2011 08:42 AM
Karen Burket
Bank of Oregon a division of Willamette Valley Bank - Medford, OR
Valley Mortgage Grou, Conventional, FHA, VA, mortgages

Apologies that I haven't been able to respond to all your great comments individually.  Please know that I have read each one individually and all are greatly appreciated and respected.  Thank you all for your interest and I'm glad you found my post informative.

All the best to ALL OF YOU!  :-)

Karen 

Jul 06, 2011 06:54 AM
Wayne B. Pruner
Oregon First - Tigard, OR
Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Realtor, GRI

Yep that is mortgage fraud and you explained it very well.

Sep 28, 2012 11:15 AM
Anonymous
Alex Pompa

In the example provided, you were recommending to the self-employed applicant that by transitioning to W-2 status that their application would hold up to whatever review was forthcoming. Are you implying that they would have received a W-2 from their own company? Or instead were you suggesting they return to work for a distinct employer?

I only ask because I too am recently self-employed, exploring financing options (which are slim), and wondering what alternatives exist. Thanks. - Alex

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