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The Deal Fell and I am Feeling Bad for the Listing Agent........

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Real Estate Agent with Keller Williams Indianapolis Metro NE RB14023803

The Deal Fell and I am Feeling Bad for the Listing Agent....

One of my new team members has been working with some first time home buyers. They negotiated a good price on a 3 bedroom home in Carmel, Indiana and everything seemed to be going smoothly.  I try to stay out of the way unless my advice or help is needed.  Today I had to step in.Money Pit

The listing agent is also the seller.  We did our research and quickly learned that the home is an investment property he purchased October, 2010 as a bank owned and put back on the market in November.  Hmmmmm, must have worked really hard to get a home renovated that quickly.

Having never seen the house, I was anxious to see the inspection report.  It quickly became obvious to me that this is the agent’s first attempt at ‘flipping’ a home. Among the items listed on the inspection report:

·        Copper tubing in an electrical box and many other electrical problems.

·        All of the exterior soffits are rotted.

·        The roof is questionable.

·        The furnace is not working properly, has no filter and has no place for a filter.

·        Lots of plumbing issues.

·        Peeling lead based paint on the exterior.

·        The crawl space has been filled with water for an extended period of time and mold is now present in addition to damage and deterioration.

·        Radon level over 15pCi/L.

As gently as possible I told the listing agent that it was obvious he had not had the home inspected when he purchased it.  He said his contractor assured him that he knew exactly what it would take to get a home move-in ready.  Now he is thinking maybe not so much.  He is going to make all of the repairs and put the home back on the market at a higher price.

I feel bad for the buyers who are new and inexperienced.  I feel bad for my team member who knows less than I thought and I feel bad for the listing agent/seller.

Had I shown the home, I may have noticed many of these items and might have even talked the buyers out of making the offer.  To make it right:

·        I will be taking over and will pay for the inspection on the next house we find and I will pay for the appraisal. 

·        My team member will still get 50% of whatever commission is left. 

·        I gave the listing agent the name of someone to take to lunch and talk about what it takes to be successful at investment properties.

The moral of this story is haste makes waste! 

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Comments(100)

Brad Hornshaw
Brad Hornshaw Realtor Lynnwood, Bothell, Everett - Lynnwood, WA
Realtor, Listing Agent, Buyers Agent, Investments

Hi Pat

Good post. Does not sound like that agent did his reputation any favors.........Brad

Feb 15, 2011 09:04 AM
Phil Parisi
Sea Flag Homes - Jensen Beach, FL
Specializing in Florida's Treasure Coast

Great Post & it Sounds like your the type of person that gives Realtors a Good Name (we need more like you).  God Bless

Feb 15, 2011 09:34 AM
Brenda, Ron, Lee Cunningham & Tara Keator
West USA Realty - Phoenix, AZ
Realtors, Homes for Sale - Phoenix Metro

Great post.  I am surprised that the listing agent didn't get an inspection...  tough situation.

Feb 15, 2011 09:43 AM
Lynn B. Friedman CRS Atlanta, GA 404-617-6375
Atlanta Homes ODAT Realty - Love our Great City - Love our Clients! Buckhead - Midtown - Westside - Atlanta, GA
Concierge Service for Our Atlanta Sellers & Buyers

Dear Pat, 

I agree with Karen (#73) you are a great asset to your team.  You set a marvelous example.

Pat (#35) is wrong - your stepping in was a gift - not being a "know-it-all". (Yes, I know that (#35) was you!) The only people who could be angry with you are all the lawyers who lost out on the potential law suits if the deal had gone forward.

Everytime I hear people tell others how "easy" it is to buy a property and sell it quickly for LOTS of money, I cringe. As a builder/REALTOR, I have seen too many of these situations.  

So - T H A N K S !  As I am the Broker, the proverbial buck stops at my desk. By sharing what you did, I have the opportunity to benefit from your wisdom via AR! Now you are "my" Team Leader, too!  

Have a happy day -
lynn

 

 

 

Feb 15, 2011 10:52 AM
Kate Elim
Dockside Realty - Spotsylvania, VA
Realtor 540-226-1964, Selling Homes & Land a

Hi Pat...I concur with Michael #53 and Karen #68.  The listing agent hopefully learned a lesson and the selling agent did also.  If that agent had not come to you and tried to work this out alone it may have really been a disaster.  I only hope your agent was relatively new and not that experienced.  Fortunately she turned to you.

Kate

Feb 15, 2011 10:58 AM
Diana Mehnert
Coldwell Banker Harris McHaney & Faucette - Bella Vista, AR

Oh what a heartache for your first time buyers.. Lets just hope that the listing agent/ seller has learned a very vaulable lesson.

Feb 15, 2011 02:55 PM
Brek Schutten
Keller Williams Realty - Grand Rapids, MI

good insight.  thanks for sharing.

Feb 15, 2011 03:49 PM
Pat Haddad, ABR, CRS, ePRO, GRI
Keller Williams Indianapolis Metro NE - Carmel, IN
Carmel, Fishers, Westfield IN Real Estate Expert

Joan--It does take some experience.  When I was new, I attended every inspection---and learned a lot that way.  As realtors we should all be advising our clients to have homes inspected and we should be taking our own advice!

Ron--You are right--spend a little money in the beginning on inspections and save lots of money later on!

Evelyn--This was just wrong for all of the parties involved.  Hopefully a complete disaster was avoided!

Long Beach--I really did my best to help and try not to hurt egos or pride.

Steve--Some of this I have learned the hard way myself.  Good news is I spoke with the listing agent today and he has already contacted the person I recommended to him!

Feb 15, 2011 05:05 PM
Patricia Regan
The Regan Team Home Loan Group - Petaluma, CA

Good post and reality check for the "investor". Its hard to resist the temptation to make a quick buck and took bad advice from an "expert". Glad you are helping them learn from this experience.

Feb 15, 2011 05:09 PM
Pat Haddad, ABR, CRS, ePRO, GRI
Keller Williams Indianapolis Metro NE - Carmel, IN
Carmel, Fishers, Westfield IN Real Estate Expert

Fernando--It is the only way!!

Michael--It was a three-way train wreck waiting to happen!

Navona--And I think I may have learned more than anyone on this one.

Michael--But it sounds so easy doesn't it?

Bob--I keep

Margie--They are talking to lots of friends.  I would rather they say nice things about The Haddad Team than negative! 

Chris---Something I did not exactly have, though I certainly had a wonderful manager and some nice folks at the office I was associated with.

Feb 15, 2011 05:12 PM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

This is a tough lesson all the way around, and it sounds like you are doing your best with the situation.

Feb 15, 2011 06:23 PM
Sean Hess
St. Augustine Team Realty - Saint Augustine, FL

I think you just enabled some buyers.  Risk---the risk that a home inspection might go badly or that a home may not appraise, as two examples---goes along with buying a house.  Have the buyers considered the fact that by paying the $300 or so for an appraisal, they just saved themselves from a horrific investment and should be thankful?  What if the next home they purchase depreciates?  Will they feel it wasn't their fault, that someone should step in and make it right?  Should you make it right?  Both buyers and sellers need to understand that we are there to bring them together with a satisfactory outcome, not to fix their failings, or the failings that may underly the home that is being purchased. 

Feb 16, 2011 12:16 AM
Peter Michelbach
David Grace R/E - International, IT

Pat -- you showed great courage and engagement on all levels - to the Newby, the clients and beyond. I respect you for that!

One person can and does make a difference...and if more of us could embrace a different attitude, our world would be filled with greater integrity, loyalty, abundance and success. Be happy!

Feb 16, 2011 01:29 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Apparently the listing agent didn't have the house inspected before he bought it. Too bad his "contractor" was disreputable. Sure hope it wasn't his brother-in-law!

Feb 16, 2011 06:02 AM
Kathy Opatka
RE/MAX CROSSROADS - Ocean City, MD
Serving Ocean City, MD, & The Delaware Beaches

Pat,

We now have a 'rule" that says the Team Leader needs to take a supervision course if they have a Team.  They need to know that the members of their team are prepared to write contracts/show property/hold open houses etc. Hopefully, this will keep everyone SAFE!

Feb 16, 2011 09:02 AM
Sylvie Stuart
Realty One Group Mountain Desert 928-600-2765 - Flagstaff, AZ
Home Buying, Home Selling and Investment - Flagsta

Wow, yeah, I'd be glad that the deal didn't go through, you'd have more issues on your hands. Way to take care of your clients!

Feb 16, 2011 09:25 AM
DeeDee Riley
Lyon Real Estate - El Dorado Hills CA - El Dorado Hills, CA
Realtor - El Dorado Hills & the Surrounding Areas

Pat, great story!  Flips are not as easy as one may think.  I really believe it takes a team to make them work - a contractor, a lender, and a realtor.

Feb 17, 2011 05:52 AM
Kerry Jenkins
Prime Properties - Crestline, CA

WOW, who doesn't get a home inspection these days especially an agent that recommends them for a living...

Feb 17, 2011 06:37 AM
Pat Haddad, ABR, CRS, ePRO, GRI
Keller Williams Indianapolis Metro NE - Carmel, IN
Carmel, Fishers, Westfield IN Real Estate Expert

Christine and Peter---I did what I thought was the right thing for all parties.

Sean--I felt partially to blame since this was a lead I gave to one of my team members.  I thought she was ready for the trenches, but apparently she was not.  I cannot say for sure that if I had been showing this couple homes they would not have offered on it, but I do usually point out any deficiencies I see---and this agent didn't see any.  I agree with you that realtors cannot be responsible for everything that may go wrong in a transaction.

Marte--I think the contractor was just a well meaning, though inexperienced friend.

Kathy--I could have said a lot more in this post, but held back.  I felt confident that this agent had received more than enough training.  I had even gone out with her and this couple once to look at homes.  She was exposed to more than I was before I was thrown to the wolves.

Feb 17, 2011 11:59 AM
Pat Haddad, ABR, CRS, ePRO, GRI
Keller Williams Indianapolis Metro NE - Carmel, IN
Carmel, Fishers, Westfield IN Real Estate Expert

Sylvie, Dee Dee and Amy--A simple inspections could have prevented all of this.  A simple inspection!!

Feb 17, 2011 12:27 PM