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I Am Going Into Foreclosure - Will I have to Pay Back My $8000 Tax Credit - Have We Learned Anything?

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Real Estate Agent with Retired

That's the royal "We", as in, the feds, lenders, buyers and us, yeah, real estate agents.

Most people cheered when the homebuyers tax credits were implemented, and then extended, and then included move up buyers. Of course there were some out there saying that it was only meddling and would not help, at best stealing future buyers.

I understand why it was implemented the first time, in a Q&A sesssion with Senator Isaakson (one of the authors of the original credit) he clearly explained how it was supposed to stabilize the real estate market. Of course, this program, just as the rest of the stimulus package and the various programs designed to keep people in their homes, failed to do that.

And now, some of those who received those tax credits are going into foreclosure less than a year after the program ended. I am hearing and reading this question more and more as the weeks go by. In fact, before the original timeline was extended beyond Nov. 30, 2009, some of the original recipients of this were already being foreclosed upon.

So, was this program really worth it? I am sure that there are some people who purchased homes and are currently not in any danger of foreclosure are saying yes. That tax credit might even be offsetting any losses in values sufferred since then. However, when we look at the forest, when we consider the big picture, perhaps not. It is estimated that the tax credit resulted in an increase in home sales of about 350,000 units. At a taxpayer cost of $15 billion for the program, that is $43,000 of taxpayer money per additional unit sold.

And what was the other impact. After the dust settled last year, the real estate sales volume crashed (not unlike auto sales at the end of cash for clunkers). Yes, a decrease in volume was foreseen but not to the extent that occurred and for the duration.

And now we are having foreclosures and taxpayers will be paying twice for many of these homes. After all, probably 95% of them, if not more, were insured under one government loan program or another.

When will the government learn programs like these, no matter how well intentioned or popular, are about as effective of putting a bandage on a snake bite. It might make things look better for awhile, but until you eliminate the poison in the system, things just get worse.

Oh, the answer to the question about having to pay the $8000 back - maybe.

 

 

Margo Currie
Exit 1 Stop Realty - Saint Augustine Beach, FL

Headaches, headaches, and more headaches! When will "we" learn?

Feb 14, 2011 01:56 AM
Don Rogers
Keller Williams Realty Chesterfield - O'Fallon, MO
Realtor, Broker, CDPE, GRI, OnullFallon MO & St Charles County MO homes

Mike,

This was something that at first I was for but the more I learned about it the more I was opposed to it and spoke out about it.  Just to be told by folks in the industry that it was a good thing for new buyers.  RIGHT......

Feb 14, 2011 02:12 AM
Richard Iarossi
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Crofton, MD
Crofton MD Real Estate, Annapolis MD Real Estate

Mike,

I can't say I'm surprised about this. There are always unintended consequences whenever the governments steps in.

Rich

Feb 14, 2011 02:57 AM
Mike Frazier
Carousel Realty of Dyer County - Dyersburg, TN
Northwest Tennessee Realtor

Mike, I had a discussion similiar to this yesterday with a guy moving to my area for a job and either has to sell his house or lose it. Either way there are problems as I see it.

Feb 14, 2011 03:13 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Just as with everything else, the cost far outweighed the benefits to the economy.

The American people always lose when the government picks winners and losers. 

Government programs are designed to garner votes.  N E W S  F L A S H!!!  The losers far outweighed the winners in that program.  

LOSERS vote too.

 

Feb 14, 2011 03:35 AM
Mike Saunders
Retired - Athens, GA

Margo - I am not sure that congress ever will learn

Don - and it would have been a good thing to create jobs first

Rich -  yet congress will never admit mistakes, or, as in the case of ethanol, will not repeal the laws for fear of "further unintended consequences"

Mike - it is now putting some people in a postiion to have to make tough decisions

Lenn - if you are talking about the 110 million or so that pay the taxes, we certainly do outweight those that benefitted.

Feb 14, 2011 04:22 AM
Don Rogers
Keller Williams Realty Chesterfield - O'Fallon, MO
Realtor, Broker, CDPE, GRI, OnullFallon MO & St Charles County MO homes

Mike you are so right the jobs should have been the first order of business.  But the current administration doesn't know how to creat that atmosphere.

Feb 14, 2011 05:14 AM
Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

The government could have just left the Nehemiah and Ameridream down payment programs in place and saved the taxpayers billions.  No surprise that people are getting foreclosed on.

Feb 14, 2011 08:18 AM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

The logical progression of events to get us out of this mess did not occur and you're so right, jobs should have been taken care of right out of the inaugural gate!

Feb 14, 2011 08:21 AM
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

I found that most of the buyers I had that took advantage of the credit could already afford to buy without it.  

Again, helping people to buy a housr that they can yet afford does not help at all.   The market is starting to corrct itself why go and screw with it again and have to start all over again.

Feb 14, 2011 09:16 AM
Mike Saunders
Retired - Athens, GA

Don - but instead of learning from its mistakes it is just trying variations of the same old stuff

Rob - but thankfully it left VA alone, at least for now

Debe - it was as if they thought that profligate spending would help, wrong

William - that's why it actually cost $43,000 per additional unit, not the $8000 or $6500

Feb 15, 2011 02:06 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices

Mike, what are you talking about. making me pay back $8K, which I lost in a foreclosure? Where is the forgiveness we are so used to. If we win, we are businesspeople. If we lose, we cry and want the government to bail us out. And if we screw again, bail us again

And the government will

Feb 15, 2011 03:30 AM
Janna Scharf
Keller Williams Realty Coeur d'Alene - Coeur d'Alene, ID
Coeur d'Alene Idaho Real Estate Expert

Yikes!  That's the first case I've seen of someone receiving the tax credit going into foreclosure.  I guess I shouldn't be surprised.  Thanks for stopping by my blog!

Feb 15, 2011 11:56 AM
Mike Saunders
Retired - Athens, GA

Jon - you are becoming liberalized ;^)

Janna - its been going on for quite some time

Feb 16, 2011 12:37 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

"When will the government learn programs like these, no matter how well intentioned or popular, are about as effective of putting a bandage on a snake bite."

 Mike,

How can you ask such a question, after stating:

"It is estimated that the tax credit resulted in an increase in home sales of about 350,000 units. At a taxpayer cost of $15 billion for the program, that is $43,000 of taxpayer money per additional unit sold. "

That's $35,000 administration to give away up to $8,000! That's a minimum of 438% administration cost! Obviously the only thing these bureaucrats and politicos have learned is how to line their own pockets and to buy votes with unlimited taxpayer dollars.

Besides it's irrelevant questioning the government's ability to learn when the public, their constitution's, the American voters that elect these frauds!

Bill

Feb 21, 2011 05:16 AM
Mike Saunders
Retired - Athens, GA

Bill - but the public is learning, I hope.

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