Stucco: Invasive Moisture Testing vs. Infrared Scanning

By
Home Inspector with Structure Tech Home Inspections

 

I’ve heard of home inspectors in Minnesota offering infrared scans on stucco homes as an attractive non-invasive alternative to standard invasive moisture testing.  Here at Structure Tech, we recently started offering infrared inspections, but stucco scans are something we will never offer.

Stucco CrackFirst, some info on stucco.Stucco homes in Minnesota built since the late 80′s or so have had a nasty history of catastrophic failures.  These stucco homes are more likely to have moisture instrusion problems than other types of homes, and the damage is usually far more serious. The City of Woodbury has an excellent position paper about Stucco in Residential Construction, which should be required reading for anyone buying a stucco home built during this time period.  In many cases, there are absolutely no visible signs of moisture instrusion.

Invasive Testing

My advice to anyone buying a newer stucco home in Minnesota is to have invasive moisture testing performed, which can be done from the interior or exterior (this blog isn’t going to be a discussion of the two methods, although that will be a great future topic).  Exterior testing is done by drilling holes and  sticking metal probes in to the wall to measure the moisture content of the wood. 

Invasive Stucco Testing
These holes get covered over with matching caulk after the work is done, and there is virtually no evidence that any work was ever done.  Interior testing is done in a similar manner, where holes are made inside the house and the moisture content of the wood is tested.  As long as the person doing the testing is good at it, the results that come from invasive moisture testing on stucco homes are highly reliable.

Infrared Scans on Stucco

IR Image of bad windowHaving a stucco home scanned with an infrared camera as an alternative to invasive moisture testing may sound like a great idea, as there are never any holes left in the walls with this testing method.  The problem is that infrared scans on stucco are unreliable.  Infrared cameras don’t see inside walls; they only show differences in temperature.

For example, the image at right is an infrared image of a window at a stucco home.  You can see a little green at the lower left corner of the window, which means this area is a little bit colder.  This was the worst area of moisture intrusion at the home, and an invasive moisture test found there was no wood to probe here; the wood had rotted away to nothing.

If only an infrared scan had been performed, what would the recommendation have been?  Tear the wall open?  Have an invasive test performed?  This was the only thermal anomoly shown on the entire house, but an invasive moisture test found unacceptable moisture levels in about a dozen other areas throughout the house.

Temperature differences may or may not equate to moisture intrusion.  Conversely, if there are no temperature differences in stucco, should one conclude that there is no moisture in the wall?  Absolutely not.  Infrared cameras are great at finding temperature differences, but not water. Infrared cameras can be used to give clues for places to perform invasive tests at best.

The bottom line is that infrared scans on stucco homes will give unreliable results and should not be considered an alternative to invasive moisture testing.  I’m a firm believer in invasive moisture testing on stucco homes, and I say this as someone with no financial interest in the matter.

 

Comments (35)

Craig Frazer
Farmington, UT
Real Estate, RE/MAX Metro, Davis & Salt Lake County

Having spent the first 35 years of my life in Minnesota (can't wait for the Twins season to get going), and then having moved to the Southwest, I was interested in the extensive use of stucco here in the SW and was very curious as to its introduction and somewhat prevalent use in MN over the past 15-20 years.  Everything I learned about stucco is that it is an ideal exterior material in dry climates (which MN or the upper midwest would never be thought of as "dry"). 

I convinced my parents to avoid a home with a stucco exterior when they were looking to downsize simply because of the issues reported (not just in MN) of stucco/moisture issues with that material.  I'm sure, installed properly, stucco might be compatible with more moist environments, but I don't hold out a great deal of hope it will be installed properly (I remember the installation issues involved with the EIFS product back in the 90s).  Installed correctly, it worked as advertised.  Problem was only about 5-10% of the installations were done correctly.

 

Feb 22, 2011 04:22 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

I would have to disagree with you in part. IR is a good tool to use, but anything that appears suspicious should always be checked with a moisture meter. This applies to all IR scanning for buildings. The invasive method should be used with IR scanning.

The one thing you don't mention about IR, and the reason I feel it has not fully taken off, is that proper conditions must be present for good scanning results. It is vitally important that the thermographer consider when the best time and conditions will exist to obtain good information from an IR scan. I believe this most important aspect of infrared evaluations is ofter not taken into account.

Feb 22, 2011 06:00 AM
Dale Ganfield
Leland, NC

Hi Reuben, like Charles & Craig above, I am wondering if this is stucco or exterior finishing and insulation system (EFIS or synthetic stucco).  True stucco, installed correctly, has been found to a reliable product in the southeast.  EIFS has not because of installation problems which were predominant. 

Feb 22, 2011 06:15 AM
Barb Van Stensel
Chicago, IL

I remember the stucco from like the 1920's and it is nothing like what it is in the 80's, etc.  What has been explained is the process is as expensive as brick and hence, why not just brick instead of stucco .. if that be the case?

Bottom is Abott Laboratories has a policy with their employees not to buy a home with stucco exterior.  I have had a hard time in the past with relocation clients who liked the layout of the home but becaue of a policy, they didn't buy.  Obviously, they knew something we didn't.

Personally, I like the idea of this type of an inspection.  It scares me to think of what is under vinyl siding where homes don't have the proper overhang, and water runs down underneath the vinyl siding.  You can see bulges here in Chicago ... it is only a matter of time.

 

Feb 22, 2011 06:33 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Michael - I know that infrared moisture scans have given a lot of people in my area a false sense of security.

Russel - installation details on stucco are critical, you're completely right about that.  As for invasive testing though... I disagree.  I don't know of a single person in my area that relies on that type of testing.  

Loren - I've heard the same thing, stucco seems to perform much better in dry climates.  I suppose most stuff does.

Johnathan - invasive moisture testing wouldn't be considered part of a home inspection.  There are separate companies here that just do moisture testing.

Charles - stucco.  The real stuff.  Synthetic is worse though.

Craig - you nailed it.

Feb 22, 2011 09:06 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

James - what type of moisture meter?  You're right, I didn't mention anything about proper conditions.   I remember meeting an inspector to perform an IR scan on a stucco home about six years ago, and he had arrived at the house before the sun was even up.

Dale - I'm talking about real stucco.  

Barb - I have the feeling that these inspections may start getting more popular on other types of siding.

Feb 22, 2011 09:18 AM
Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

The suits are on the "homesafe" home page. As well as the  large number of members of my association that has been sued and lost. Check it out they have a bunch of patents.

Clint McKie

Feb 22, 2011 09:27 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Reuben, invasive moisture meter testing of hard coat stucco I would think could be useful---but a concrete scanning type moisture meter would seem invaluable as a starting point prior to drilling holes.  I know that the accepted method of drilling holes in EIFS is to drill two 1/8" holes the width of the probes at an upward angle would be acceptable in hardcoat stucco as well.  There are plenty of quality sealants that can be used to satisfactorilly plug these holes.  I would not even consider this approach all that "invasive"---more damage is done opening attic accesses and electrical panel covers :)

Feb 22, 2011 09:41 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

@Clint, those patented proceedures appear to be proprietary to Homesafe---why would anyone use them without being licensed to do so?  I cannot imagine anyone being sued for using an IR camera if they were not using their patented proceedures.  Am I missing something?

Feb 22, 2011 09:50 AM
Jim Mushinsky
Centsable Inspection - Framingham, MA

Hi Reuben.  Nice article and glad you included the link to the paper from the City of Woodbury Building Division.   Excellent advice on Required Reading.

Feb 22, 2011 06:49 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Clint - those Homesafe lawsuits need to go away.  They don't have the market cornered when it comes to using an IR camera for home inspections.

Charles - I don't do invasive testing on stucco, but I've sat through seminars on the subject and spoken with several local experts on the matter, and they all say the same thing; moisture meters are quite useless when it comes to testing for moisture intrusion in stucco.  As for EIFS, they don't even drill pilot holes - they just pop the pins right through the foam.  I'm with you, I don't consider this to be all that invasive... but boy, do some people freak out about this stuff.

Oh, btw, for any ASHI members reading this comment thread, check out this link http://www.homeinspector.org/forum/t/3649.aspx

Thanks Jim, I've given out that link to the City of Woodbury's position paper many, many times. 

 

Feb 22, 2011 10:04 PM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

We're supposed to be doing visual inspections. The more gadgets you use the less visual your inspection becomes and the more reliant you become to the correct interpretation of those gadgets. 

 

Feb 23, 2011 12:19 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Robert - invasive moisture testing and home inspections are two completely separate animals.  

Feb 23, 2011 06:56 AM
Joseph Michalski
Precision Home Inspection - Lansdale, PA
PA Home Inspector

I think James nailed it - themal imaging needs the proper conditions to be accurate, and follow up with physcial testing is the way to get teh right answer every time.  I have no problem with the invasive method and have done quite a few with my deep wall probe.  I have had no luck using the Tramex meter Russel uses - it just is too hit or miss for me to rely on compared to themal imaging and the Delhort moisture meter probes.  Good article!

Feb 23, 2011 11:51 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Thanks Joseph.  As a follow up to this post, I'm writing a post about interior vs exterior testing.  

I spoke with four of the bigger invasive moisture testing companies in my area at length about this issue, and they all said the same thing about IR cameras; they were excited when IR technology became available, they bought cameras, they went through training, and they used the cameras at every house for a while, hoping to start using them exclusively, but they've all completely given up hope of being able to use an IR camera in place of invasive testing.  

None of them are using an IR camera on stucco houses at all any more; it's proven to be a waste of time.  If anyone could reliably use an IR camera to find moisture intrusion in stucco houses, they would make a mint here in Minnesota.   There is certainly a big demand for this kind of service here, as most people detest the idea of drilling holes in walls to check for moisture, but invasive testing has proven to be the only reliable way of checking for moisture in walls.  There are just way too many false positives or missed wet areas for IR scanning to be of any use.

Surface scanners, such as the Tramex meter, are useless when it comes to stucco; they don't scan deep enough from inside the house, and when used from the exterior, they can't scan through the metal lath in stucco.  They're great for EIFS, but we have very little of that in residential construction.  I've seen one house with EIFS, ever.

Until something better comes along, we're stuck drilling holes in walls.

Feb 23, 2011 01:29 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Good post Reuben.  IR is not very effective by itself on stucco, or even EIFS, and only somewhat effective, in my experience, with other tools.  As to Tramex, that is only intended for EIFS and I don't think can work on stucco.

Feb 26, 2011 08:19 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Thanks Jay.  You're completely right about the Tramex moisture testers; they don't advertise anything about stucco on their web site, and a nice woman answering the phones at Tramex named Penny told me the testers won't work on stucco.  At least not stucco with metal lath... and that's about all we have here in Minnesota.

If the Tramex testers are working for Russell in California, the houses don't have metal lath. 

Feb 26, 2011 11:52 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Rueben,

Funny, I just did a blog on stucco and used the same report (Woodbury) in it. I think the number one issue with this type of cladding is installation.

Feb 27, 2011 10:35 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

That really is a great report from Woodbury, isn't it?

Feb 27, 2011 02:17 PM
John Durham
Durham Executive Group - RE/MAX/Results - Woodbury, MN
MS, MS, ASP, ARS

Ahhh....a great blog about a very important real estate topic for those seller's and buyer's here in Woodbury, MN. A seller should already have had their stucco tested by a reputable firm prior to putting the home on the market and the inspection should be very current and not several years old or when the seller purchased the home. Any buyer should do due dilligence prior to buying. The cost to replace or repair the stucco can be astronomical.

Feb 28, 2011 01:24 AM

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