If Your House Is Stapled Together, It Will Come Apart

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If you think all fasteners are the same, you're wrong.  Just ask Jay Markanich.Staples in a fascia board

 

For instance, staples work great for things like carpet pad.  But not for fascia!  If you see a board with these sticking out of it, your house ain't built right!

 

Staples just aren't made to hold up pieces of wood thicker than .05 to .10 millimeters (you know, paper).  They do a really good job on that.

 

The fascia blew right off!  Staples are bad!But if these are in your fascia, don't be surprised if your house looks like this after a strong wind or a strong rain coupled with a clogged gutter!  One this one, the vinyl soffit, gutter, and fascia (still intact with aluminum wrap on it) all came off in 1 piece!  It was just sitting on the roof, all together.

 

So please, instead of staples, use nails or even the proper screws!  I know they are harder to put in than staples, but they are the right thing to put in!  You'll thank me you did.

 

 

 

 

 

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Topic:
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Location:
North Carolina Wake County Wake Forest
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home repair
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raleigh home improvements
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Rainer
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Marshall Brown
Mid America Inspection Services, LLC - Fargo, ND
BSEE, CHI

At least it wasn't duct tape.  I don't care for staples to install roofing shingles either but I just found two cap shingles in my yard that were nailed down properly and the wind just got them. Know anyone who likes walking around on a three story 8:12's

Aug 15, 2011 10:36 AM #47
Rainer
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Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
C.O.O., Winslow Homes

Monique, it can be a risk with some builders.  But there are good builders out there, it's just a lot of homework to find out which are which!

Marshall, I don't care for staples on roofing shingles either!  They're too thin and can tear right through the shingles. 

Sounds like you had some high winds!  I've been to near your neck of the wood before, as I dated a girl in Bemidji while in college in Ashland, Wisconsin.  But I don't know anyone that works up there now!

Aug 15, 2011 10:46 AM #48
Rainer
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Michael Singh,Broker
Singh Real Estate - Corral de Tierra, CA

It was probably piece work, staples are quick and cheap but not for this purpose.

Aug 15, 2011 08:17 PM #49
Rainer
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Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
C.O.O., Winslow Homes

Michael, I can say with confidence that staples should not have been used in this instance.  I like them for a moisture barrier/house wrap, but that gets covered with siding with nails in it!

Aug 16, 2011 04:30 AM #50
Rainmaker
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Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I take it this is not a situation covered by the building code.  I know builders will go as cheap as possible.

Aug 16, 2011 05:31 AM #51
Rainer
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Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
C.O.O., Winslow Homes

Gene, I'm not a General Contractor, so I'm not completely familiar with the building code.  I do know that the local building codes are usually the minimum you would do, so I always default to what is the best practice we can employ.  And I'm always learning!

Like learning that some folks would use staples to "nail" things up!  Yipes!

Aug 16, 2011 06:18 AM #52
Anonymous
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Gene, I'm just a girl who knows nothing about contruction BUT even I know staples won't hold anything expect papers in a file for very long.

Aug 16, 2011 12:51 PM #53
Rainer
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Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
C.O.O., Winslow Homes

That's true, staples aren't typically meant to be permanent fasteners.

Aug 17, 2011 01:03 AM #54
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Linda Fidgeon
Berkshire Hathaway Homeservices Page Realty - Wrentham, MA
Make your next move your best move!

LOL! When you asked if the house was "stapled together, I didn't think you meant it literally! Is there no end to the shoddy shortcuts some people will take?

Aug 17, 2011 07:29 AM #55
Rainer
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Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
C.O.O., Winslow Homes

Linda, unfortunately it was really stapled together on the front fascia.  I think there will be new shortcuts we haven't thought of yet, just give them time.

And there are good builders out there, but one can't assume every builder is a good builder!

Aug 17, 2011 07:51 AM #56
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Patricia Beck
RE/MAX Properties, Inc., GRI, CDPE - Colorado Springs, CO
Colorado Springs Realty

Wow that shocks me, staples?! 

Aug 18, 2011 10:04 AM #57
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Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
C.O.O., Winslow Homes

Yes, Patricia!  Staples!  We were rather shocked as well, as we hadn't ever dreamed of using staples as a wood fastener!  Nor did we think others would dream of it!

Aug 18, 2011 11:20 AM #58
Rainmaker
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Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Realtors - Luxury - Divorce

"saving money" using lower cost items in the end costs a home owner far more....good post !

Aug 20, 2011 01:54 AM #59
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Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
C.O.O., Winslow Homes

Sally & David: it sure does!  Better quality costs more on the front end, but WAY less on the back end.  It's a matter of when you want to spend, in the beginning or in the end.

Aug 20, 2011 09:33 AM #60
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Mona Gersky
MoonDancer Realty, Dillsboro,NC - Sylva, NC
GRI,IMSD-Taking the mystery out of real estate.

Hi Jeremy, I guess I'd seen the notice of your feature when I was cleaning up old email. Remember I congratulated you on it?  Then I thought I'd never find the actual post.  Well deserved feature.  On a gut level I would have thought staples holding anything together on the exterior of a house would equal a bad thing, but your post points it out very clearly.  Again, congrats to you.

Aug 20, 2011 10:29 AM #61
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Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
C.O.O., Winslow Homes

Thanks, Mona!  I'm glad you did find the post, and yes, staples on the exterior of a house are not recommended!

Aug 20, 2011 10:33 AM #62
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Kasey & John Boles
Jon Gosche Real Estate, LLC - BoiseMeridianRealEstate.com - Boise, ID
Boise & Meridian, ID Ada/Canyon/Gem/Boise Counties

Jeremy, how do you feel about nailed sheetrock?  I'venever really noticed stapled facia, but I'm sure it's strictly because I haven't been paying attention.  -Kasey 

Aug 28, 2011 09:13 AM #63
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Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
C.O.O., Winslow Homes

Kasey, I don't like nailed sheetrock, but understand why some nails are used. 

It's been my experience that if you nail sheetrock, the nails WILL back out eventually, and then you have repairs.  But at least that's internal and not exposed to the elements.

I say I understand why they use some nails, as it's hard to hold the board up and get a screw in to hold it in place.  Good crews usually use no more than a few nails to hold the sheetrock in place, and then screw the rest.  But I would rather see a 3 man crew with one guy fastening the boards with screws than any nails at all.

Aug 28, 2011 02:01 PM #64
Rainmaker
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Kasey & John Boles
Jon Gosche Real Estate, LLC - BoiseMeridianRealEstate.com - Boise, ID
Boise & Meridian, ID Ada/Canyon/Gem/Boise Counties

Jeremy, thanks for the response.  My husband is from the midwest and he says they always screw in sheetrock there (or as far as he knows).  Here in Idaho they nail, and there are often "nail pops" to contend with after sometime.  It drives him crazy.  Thanks for your opinion. -Kasey

Aug 30, 2011 05:34 PM #65
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Jeremy Wrenn
Winslow Homes - Youngsville, NC
C.O.O., Winslow Homes

Kasey, strictly nailing a drywall board would certainly seem like not the best practice to me.  It's going to move with changes in temperature if it's nailed in, and the nails will back out.  I agree, that screwing the entire board is best practice, and keeps everything in place.

Aug 31, 2011 03:29 AM #66
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