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The Stigma of Sinkholes, Will My House Be Swallowed Up?

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners

Sinkholes in Spring HillAs the laws are about to change regarding Sinkholes in Florida once again, to benefit the insurance companies of course, questions arise about why West Central Florida, what is a sinkhole, what if my house gets a sinkhole, can you insure a home after it has had a sinkhole, and on and on and on.  Images of homes being swallowed up by a sinkhole draws the same fear as being eaten by a shark in parts of Florida.

To make matters worse, much of the information being provided is by companies that stand to profit from the panic and fear.  The reality is that very few catastrophic sinkholes have ever occured, and the reason their appears to be so many now is that people are taking advantage of their last chance to make a claim.  People are filing claims in record numbers, hiring Public Adjusters and Law Firms specializing in sinkhole claims to fight the insurance companies, hoping to hit the jackpot, have their homes paid off, and unfortunately in many cases, take the money and let the properties go into foreclosure.

I am not writing this in an attempt to disparage legitimate claims, to propose that I am an expert, although I have met with many Sinkhole Remediators, visited their facilities and videotaped demonstrations of their equipment.  I have listened and learned so that I may better inform my buyers and sellers.  I will blog in the near future about the different methods of remediation.  The Southwest Florida Water Management District (SWFWMD) has a very informational website and brochure explaining all the geological and historical perspectives without any personal agenda.  I want to share my perspectvie as a Real Estate Broker, share the tragedy of the aftereffects of some of the claims. and the regrets of the owners that filed them 

I listed a magnificent home last week.  It was located in a deed restricted subdivision on a half acre lot, over 2100 square feet of living area, a 3/2/2 pool home that appeared to be in perfect condition.  The owner was a widow who needed to move back to her family.  When I did the comparables, the home appeared to be in the range of $200,000.  I did my homework, went into permitting department records, looked at the history of inspections from the property appraiser's website, and found the evidence.  A sinkhole claim.  When I went to the home I asked for and reviewed the geological reports, estimates and engineer's reports.  I got the first two.  The engineer's report? Nope.  Without the engineer's report stating that the home was repaired and now structurally sound there could be no Homeowner's Insurance.  No Lender would touch it. The kiss of death for a fair sale.

So what happened? Unfortunately, as in so many cases, they could not foresee what was coming.  They did not realize their home would now be stigmatized.  They took the money, paid off the house, and did not fix the "damage".  I could not find any damage and re-read the report.  It was there, in black and white.  To a buyer from anywhere other than Central Florida?  No deal.  To a buyer who needs a loan? Without an engineer's report, no loan, no deal.  So who would buy this beautiful home?  A local investor who would hold and rent, or a sinkhole remediation company for a drastically reduced price.  A tragedy indeed.  My widow had paid off the mortgage with the money, and when her husband became terminally ill, remortgaged the home to pay medical bills.  She now owed more than the home is worth, and now I have an unremediated sinkhole short sale home to sell.  I have a large bank of investors who are ready, willing and unafraid to purchase such a home, at a very deep discounted price, and I will sell it.  Because it is a short sale, the seller is under a duty to disclose, so the transaction will be with eyes wide open for a buyer.  

For all of those people surfing the real estate websites and seeing the unbelievable deals today?  Beware.  If it is a foreclosure, the Banks do not disclose if there was a sinkhole claim.  They claim to know nothing.  Strange, since the insurance companies make the checks out to the owner and the mortgage companies together.  Selective memory perhaps on the part of the lender? 

If a buyer does their due diligence and finds evidence?  The lender will sign a form allowing the engineer who performed the report after remediation to send the report to the prospective buyer so that they may acquire homeowner's insurance.  But without a very diligent and knowledgeable professional Realtor,or buying at the foreclosure auctions?  Guess....

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Jeanne M. Gavish
Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - Spring Hill, FL
Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - CIPS,GRI,S

Rosalie,

It has to do with our soil being limerock, the elevation, etc.  It is not common in other states. Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Apr 14, 2011 02:56 AM
Silvia Dukes PA, Broker Associate, CRS, CIPS, SRES
Tropic Shores Realty - Ich spreche Deutsch! - Spring Hill, FL
Florida Waterfront and Country Club Living

Geney, congrats on your feature and for tackling a very sensitive and complex topic.  There definitely is a stigma attached to an "unrepaired" as well as repaired sinkhole home. 

I'm hoping that the sinkhole identification and remediation process will undergo some much needed scrutiny to track claims and repairs.  While insurance companies are required to notify the county of sinkhole claims filed, there is currently no sufficient process in place to track these claims to see if repairs have been made.  Hopefully, improving this process would put a stop to the temptation of "making a claim just because you can" and thus the abuse of the system at the expense of other homeowners.  As home values have decreased in the last years, too many homeowners seem to think this is a way to get money out of their house and never have the intention of fixing anything.  Insurance rates for everyone else go up, taxes will be going up, while property values are suffering even if someone does not have a sinkhole problem. 

Apr 14, 2011 03:06 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Jeannie, this is a great feature and I'm impressed by your diligence in bring the sinkhole claim to light. It's bad news but better at this point than later when legal property clearance search would have crashed the sale with this 'surprise'.

Apr 14, 2011 03:43 AM
Lizette Fitzpatrick
Lizette Realty - Richmond KY - Lexington, KY
Lizette Realty, Lexington KY MLS - Kentucky Homes

That would really be wild foer a house to fall in a sinkhole! I guess every state has one thing or another to beware of when dealing with a house.

Apr 14, 2011 04:01 AM
Steve Fingerman
E Loans Mortgage Inc NMLS# 856640 - Spring Hill, FL
Under One Roof™

Congrats on the Feature! BTW, what ever happened to the unrepaired sink hole home? Did they decide not to list it, or did you discount it due to the unrepaired status? Call me, I may interested in purchasing it..at a discounted price of course :)

Apr 14, 2011 04:26 AM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Jeanne, a very informative post. I wasn't aware of the potential issues. Good job in doing your homework.

Apr 14, 2011 04:47 AM
Jeanne M. Gavish
Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - Spring Hill, FL
Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - CIPS,GRI,S

Thanks Silvia! I was nervous tackling this topic because people envision their homes falling into a pit, which we know RARELY happens, but this week's listing just drove me to put my thoughts down.  I like your points and maybe the legislators will listen.

Thank you Robert.  I always do my homework because of this issue and still ask the seller point blank if they have ever filed a claim.  Sometimes I have gone on listings, seen the telltale cracks around the window sills and tell the sellers to contact their insurance companies before proceeding.  I like to solve problems when they are small and manageable.

Lizette, When a hole opens up it hits National news and people everywhere call and ask us about it, but it really rarely happens.  Mostly just cracking.  

Steve, Thank you for your comments, both earlier and now.  One of my Landlord Investors put in an offer, but being a short sale, the lender will have to approve the sale. Explaining an unrepaired sinkhole home to a national lender is not easy.  I had one with Chase and their AVM showed a price over $100k higher than I had it listed for. I asked them how their program devalued a sinkhole and her words were, "what's a sinkhole?" the house went into foreclosure.

Apr 14, 2011 05:03 AM
Brian Madigan
RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage (Toronto) - Toronto, ON
LL.B., Broker

Jeanne,

In Toronto and the GTA, and most of souhern Onatrio, this would be exceedingly rare. We do have contaminated properties, but really no sinkholes.

Thanks for the post! I'll be anxious to follow the other comments on this post from those who have experience.

Brian

Apr 14, 2011 05:31 AM
Morgan Evans
Douglas Elliman Real Estate - Manhattan, NY
LICENSED REAL ESTATE SALESPERSON

I had no idea sinkhole's could be a problem for residential sales.  If there was a sinkhole in Manhattan it would be all over the headlines in the news. 

Apr 14, 2011 06:06 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

YIKES . . .haven't had to deal with this (knocking wood).  :-)

Apr 14, 2011 02:03 PM
Jeanne M. Gavish
Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - Spring Hill, FL
Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - CIPS,GRI,S

Thanks Michael!

Brian, it's pretty much a Florida thing, but I didn't know how few people knew about them.

Morgan, I hear you! I lived outside the City for many years.

Apr 15, 2011 01:22 AM
Jeanne M. Gavish
Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - Spring Hill, FL
Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - CIPS,GRI,S

Carole, your tale is heartbreaking.  I know what it is like to have to fight the insurance companies when your home is unstable and in jeopardy.  I am not sure what you mean by unfixable.  Please don't let them shoot grout under your house.  Underpinning is the way to go.  Advanced Pier Technology did a friend's house and was very reasonable. 

Apr 15, 2011 01:27 AM
Jeanne M. Gavish
Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - Spring Hill, FL
Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - CIPS,GRI,S

Carla, it's a Florida issue.  Especially West Central Florida. thanks for checking in.

Apr 15, 2011 01:32 AM
Jeanne M. Gavish
Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - Spring Hill, FL
Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - CIPS,GRI,S

Dan, I watched your video and I am very impressed.  I really appreciate the fact that you found my blog and took  the time to share your expertise.  Thank you for clarifying for those of us who are not experts.

Apr 16, 2011 06:45 AM
Jeanne M. Gavish
Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - Spring Hill, FL
Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - CIPS,GRI,S

to #40, I can only share my experience as a Real Estate Broker, and I have spoken with sellers who have had only grout pumped in, and when they got another and yet another sinkhole, there was no evidence anywhere of the previous grout under the home.  How can they know where it goes when they grout?

Apr 20, 2011 09:39 AM
Jeanne M. Gavish
Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - Spring Hill, FL
Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - CIPS,GRI,S

To #42, many people think that repaired is repaired, and this is just not the case.  I have had people tell me that they have been told there is NO EVIDENCE of grout under their home, yet they have evidence that it was "repaired" using grout.  I understand using grout to fill the home, but I have heard too many people who have had multiple sinkholes, grouted only, no evidence.  It appears (and again I am not the EXPERT) that the house needs underpinning to keep it secure.  I am not going to begin to touch the alleged price fixing of grout here.

Apr 26, 2011 01:59 PM
Jeanne M. Gavish
Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - Spring Hill, FL
Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - CIPS,GRI,S

Tallahassee Homeowner, I am not discrediting legitimate claims.  I lost my home of over 24 years (that had 50% equity) due to black mold, and a front porch that had dropped a foot due to a sinkhole) thanks to a disreputable public adjuster that was just a birddog to a sinkhole attorney, and a very dispicable insurance company (Tower Hill out of Gainsville), who took advantage of my family and myself at a time when we were very sick from mold toxicity and displaced from our home and all of our possessions, that were contaminated.  I spent my life savings trying to save my home unsuccessfully.  I am well aware of legitimate claims and tragedies.  My life will never be the same and I will probably never recover financially from the loss. 

I am talking about those who see a crack in the concrete, file a claim, and get a payout without fixing their homes.  Please note that the appraiser who commented #11 had a claim and did extensive repairs.  He consulted with me on this blog.  Also too, please note # 31, who is still trying to fix their home.  Your experience is yours, and is tragic and real.

I deal daily in the aftermath of bogus claims and the fallout from people who try to purchase these homes.  Adjusters who go door to door, repair companies that manufacture damage in order to get claims...the new laws go into effect next month.  No more blank checks to owners.  Your experience was one, and I deeply sympathise.  My experience is vast, and encompasses legitimate claims and illegitimate ones as well, which harms innocent people who buy foreclosed homes without disclosure of previous damage.  I feel bad for you if you get the grout without underpinning.  You have no idea how many people have repeat sinkholes and there is NO EVIDENCE of grout under the home because they cannot control where it goes when they shoot it.

May 20, 2011 04:02 PM
Jeanne M. Gavish
Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - Spring Hill, FL
Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - CIPS,GRI,S

Gardner, thanks for your inquiry and it was great talking to you on the phone.  Good Luck with your home search.  According to the property appraiser, the stigma is no longer attached to the home when the engineer's report clears it.  In reality, the method of repair is critical.  As we discussed, it is very important to receive a copy of the original engineer's report before you purchase a sinkhole home, especially the one you were considering, which was unrepaired, just as the one in my post.  Sometimes the damage in minimal and questionable,and will be worth the reduced price you can pay if you find the right home.  Many people who are smart investors are doing just this, paying cash, and renting the homes out.  When they sell, they will do so with owner financing, and the buyer does not mind either because they know what they are purchasing.

Jun 24, 2011 02:03 AM
Jeanne M. Gavish
Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - Spring Hill, FL
Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - CIPS,GRI,S

Kim, I am sorry you were not informed.  I hope you have sinkhole coverage, and if you need a Public Adjuster to help you with your claim, please feel free to call or email me.

Jul 10, 2011 06:19 AM
Jeanne M. Gavish
Jeanne Gavish, Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - Spring Hill, FL
Keller Williams Realty Elite Partners - CIPS,GRI,S

JC, I have seen this done but only on a short sale.  You can send the engineer's report to the bank and make them an offer.  Let me know if you have any luck.

Sep 07, 2011 09:46 AM