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(AP) The apartment was dirty with mold. Insurance wouldn't settle. An OMG File.

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 The apartment was dirty with mold. Insurance wouldn't settle.    It was A.P.          An OMG File.

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I was calling to investigate a 'mold' problem that turned out to be dirt, soot in fact.

I asked my client why she thought there was mold. She brought out the air quality test report.

As I was reading it, her daughter came in from the other room. She was home sick from school and wearing a face mask.

She had respiratory problems. My hair stood on end.

"When is her medical appointment?" I asked. "Tomorrow" was the answer.

"So when you go see the doctors bring this air quality report and show them theses two words that I've underlined here." So they did.

I called to follow up a week later and asked how the appointment went. Both the mother and daughter, as well as everyone else who lives in that building (8 people), are being sent to see specialists.

Oh yeah the two words; aspegillius penicillii .........(AP)

This is the plural form of aspergillus penicillium. This is a seriously severe group of molds that are toxic to humans and animals.

So if you have any reports or documents that read as if they were latin, have them explained to you.  A lab technicians report is only data.  It won't tell you if a condition is serious or what to do about it.

Report interpretation and remedial consulting is a part of our service in the Montreal area.

 

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Virginia Kail
Investments, starter houses, luxury homes,farms, acreage - Cookeville, TN
True Blue Realty, Homes and Land for Sale

Robert, That would make my hair stand on end too! Egads!

May 12, 2011 03:41 PM
Laura Forman
RE/MAX AEROSPACE REALTY www.LauraSellsBrevard.com - Melbourne, FL
Your Brevard Premier Property Specialist

Wow - I wonder how long everyone was sick?

May 12, 2011 03:45 PM
Ted Tyrrell
RE/MAXCamosun (Chatterton) - Victoria, BC
Selling Homes in Beautiful Victoria

AP. Is that a killer, Robert, or just a thing to cause ongoing sickness?

May 12, 2011 04:33 PM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Hi Virginia. Yes quite the horror.

Laura, as far as I know for about a year.

Yes Ted, It is my understanding that AP has killed and left people in a compromised condition for the balance of their lives, but these are very severe exposure conditions.

In less intense exposures the reaction is like an asthma or allergy and is treatable. They do recover fully but either have to leave that environment or have it successfully cleaned up.

So it's both depending on the severity.

May 12, 2011 04:47 PM
Mimi Foster
Falcon Property Company - Colorado Springs, CO
Voted Colorado Springs Best Realtor

Who did the initial report?

May 12, 2011 06:17 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Robert I am afraid that both of those molds are very common in almost all indoor environments and a causal relationship between exposure to them and health has not been adequately documented in the scientific literature and has mostly been given a lot of bad press by those making money in mold testing and assessment.  Most cases of heath issues associated with molds in the indoor environment can more easily be attributed to cats, dust mites and other indoor pollutants---even in relation to the food we eat.  I can provide a ton of very good scientific evidence to support what I am saying if you would like me to link it here. It is only a VERY VERY small minority of people that truly react negatively to mold in the indoor environment---not all molds should be condemned and houses condemned because of a lack of good information.

May 12, 2011 07:36 PM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

HI Mimi. An environmental company did the initial air quality test in my clients apartment. They also did two subsequent tests on the lower floor and basement apartments after the tenants became aware of the health risk possibilities. The basement apartment had extremely high levels.

Morning Charles. Yes that's all true. In this case I was talking about the severity of the exposure, and it was extreme. The client and i did not react to the mold, just the daughter. Even the basement tenant (a sister) was not sick.

On the most rain exposed side of the building, all the window and door lintels had rusted and expanded to the point that three horizontal cracks (averaging 1/2" open) ran across the length of the building at the window line of each floor. This put a major quantity of water in the walls every time it rained, for years.

Magill University medical research on asthma and allergy has established that prolonged and repeated exposure to any allergy triggering agent causes a direct and increasing response to it. In other words the more exposure the sicker you are going to be. So you have to isolate the patient from the triggering agent.

 

May 13, 2011 02:20 AM
Dan Edward Phillips
Dan Edward Phillips - Eureka, CA
Realtor and Broker/Owner

Good morning Robert, an excellent post.  This is an issue that many agents are not informed of but need to be very aware of.  Thank you!

May 13, 2011 03:06 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Robert,

This is one of those topics that gets people going. I tend to side on Charles side of things. If I remember correctly these are actually two different strains. Family Penicillium and family Aspergillus.

There are people who will be sensitive to these type of allergens. And repeated exposure can cause a more acute response.

Not to play down anyone who has effects from this exposure. But if you are sensitive to peanuts you need to stay away from them also.

There is also some evidence that suggest that just the damp environment, which mold grows, in itself can cause reactions in people.

As always the mold/mould is an indicator species of other issues that need to be addressed.

May 13, 2011 10:59 AM
Not a real person
San Diego, CA

Aspergillus and Penicillium are two different species of mold. I don’t believe there is an Aspergillus penicillium, although there is an Aspergillus penicilloides.

Many molds are quite valuable to us, either in food production or in medical research. Penicillium molds are used in the production of many cheeses, such as Roquefort.

Aspergillus fumigatus, Aspergillus flavus, and Aspergillus clavatus are the most problematic for humans.

Being allergic or sensitive to mold is no different from being allergic or sensitive to pollen, cat dander, or anything else. Take care of yourself and your home!

May 13, 2011 12:57 PM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

The basic theory here, based on the Northwest Clean Air Agency, the state agency which deals with mold in the region, is to clean up mold when you find it. Very rarely do they suggest testing for a species of mold. What might cause a reaction in one person has no impact on another. Therefore, unless suggested by an M.D. who is testing for allergies in a given person, if you see you got mold, they say to get rid of it and the conditions that caused it -- high moisture or lack of ventilation. Unfortunately, the whole matter of mold has been elevated to a sideshow atmosphere by a few companies, many of whom are not even licensed, who offer cheap mold inspections and know they can make big bucks off remediation, often not required or done poorly, with their business fueled by encouraging public hysteria in the media.

May 13, 2011 04:16 PM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Hi Dan. Being informed about mold issues an only improve communications.

You are right Don. I agree with all the points you've made. As for the species differentiation that you and Russel mention, I'm not knowledgeable in that specifically.

Aspergillius penicillii is what was written in the air quality report. My latin tells me the nominclenture conveys that it's a penicillium that presents or mimics aspegillius.

That the plural form was used indicate that multiple organisms or species may be present in the sample, likely as a synergetic colony,similar to the 'red ocher' micro organisms.

But that's not the important point. The client did not know what to do with the report. It was useless to her. That's why I was there.

Doctors trying to diagnose problems, like inspectors need all the information they can have. More info equals better diagnosis.

So I simply told her to take that specific information to her daughter's medical care givers. I didn't alarm her, get her up set, or cause a panic. Just told her it would help the doctors to have that information.

Yes Steve the last sentence of you comment is sadly all to true. These self serving alarmists are doing harm by raising unnecessary fears around this problem. This makes communicating facts about it harder and subject to much misinterpretation.

 

May 13, 2011 04:49 PM
Erby Crofutt
B4 U Close Home Inspections&Radon Testing (www.b4uclose.com) - Lexington, KY
The Central Kentucky Home Inspector, Lexington KY

Wasted money for an air quality report with no comprehensive explanation.  Wonderful.

 

Nov 02, 2011 07:36 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Well it may have been wasted in a comparative and value sense, but she kept asking and digging for the solution to the problems she had till she got the answers needed and the corrective action initiated. So in the end her efforts and expenditure got her what she needed, it's just too bad the first test results were not presented in a meaningful way.

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