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Monday is "D" Day...Debt Ceiling Monday/Financial Armageddon Is One Bad Choice Away

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Mortgage and Lending

We have heard all this talk back and forth over the past couple of months about our debt issues. We are a country of credit cards and it doesn't stop at the mall. The US is maxed out on their credit limit and the United States is set to reach its $14.3 trillion debt limit on Monday, and will only be able to avoid default until Aug. 2, according to the U.S. Treasury.

This is big stuff everyone. We all turn on the news and talk about it over dinner and listen to the political posturing back and forth on the issue. But I can't stress enough how serious this for our country. Whether you are a donkey or an elephant you probably are frustrated with what the government spends money on. Billions on wars and foreign aid, billions on bailout programs and tax credits. Billions for everything. Well eventually those billions turn into trillions and that's when we have an issue.

Here are some of the things that have been said by our own Federal Reserve Chairman one of the smartest economists in our country. I'm not sharing this to scare you, but to rather make you aware that it might be time to watch your money and who you vote for.

Bernake's words this past week:

Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke told a Senate committee Thursday that a failure to raise the debt ceiling could lead to a devastating financial crisis.

"The worst outcome would be one in which the financial system would again destabilize," saying such an event "would have extremely dire consequences for the U.S. economy."

According to various reports there is a serious of 5 events that could result in a debt default.

1) Treasury bond rates rise- The government defaults, credit rating agencies would downgrade the rating of Treasury bonds. A downgrade means the U.S. would have to raise the interest rate it offers for these bonds in order to get investors to continue buying them.

2) The stock market drops, potentially sharply- The financial services firm Janney Montgomery Scott estimates that a default would cause the S&P 500 index to lose 6.3% in value in three months.10 J.P. Morgan estimates the loss to be closer to 9%.11 Using the milder forecast:• The S&P 500 would lose 1,257.53 points or $756 billion in value.*12 This money would vanish and deal a significant blow to overall economy. • According to the Employee Benefit Research Institute, the typical 401K of an investor in their 50s at the end of 2009 had $139,932 in their portfolio.13 A 6.3% loss in the S&P 500 would cost this portfolio $8,816.

3) The dollar loses its "special status."- Since the dollar is the world currency and traded daily like a commidity, many may sell the dollar causing potential inflationary pressures. Exports would lose their value and imports would cost more.

4) Mortgage rates rise- The head of Pimco, the world's largest bond fund, said a failure to raise the debt ceiling would be "catastrophic-global investors would move money at the margin to countries that have their act together, interest rates might rise by 50 basis points overnight, the stock market would plunge". An overnight jump like that would add over $19,000 in cost to a mortgage over the life of the loan. This could devastate an already weakened mortgage industry and housing market.

5) Small business and consumer credit tightens and chokes the recovery. We will be right back where we started from with the credit crisis. This liquidity shortage would be a direct result of uncertainty and volatility in the markets. When there is economic uncertainty and volatility, credit gets squeezed because banks want to keep as much money in reserve as they can. This is what happened in the fall of 08. Let's not make it the Summer of 11 as well.

I wish I had an answer for this issue. The government entitlement programs don't get as big as they are without a lot of support and need, so in turn it becomes very unpopular to cut the programs. We know that politicians like to be popular. No matter what your stance is on the issue we need to raise the debt ceiling. Without a AAA bond rating we no longer have a dominate financial position in this world.

Please share you thoughts, comments, and ideas. We need to stop kicking the can down the road and fix this.

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John B. Saari


 

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Comments (53)

John Saari
Worcester, MA
"The Mortgage Buddy"

Wow Ron. If this is how you respond when something isn't written up to your standards I would hate to see the alternative. I think the top 2% pay their fair share. I think this country some how thinks people who have become successful and made a lot of money should some how be obligated to share that with the rest of us. I know I'm not going to be happy when the Bush tax cuts end.

May 15, 2011 06:11 AM
Ron Jesser
Real Estate eBroker Palm Springs - Palm Springs, CA
Palm Springs California Homes For Sale

Adam- #26 who said:

"They need to cut the benefit programs and people should learn how to manage there own money and save for retirement and not re lie on the government for income in retirement."

I was going to shut up on this but you provoke me.  First of all, if you're going to comment on subject matter of this importance, please write it correctly so we can take your thoughts seriously.

Second, the "benefit" programs you berate are paid for by contributions. Many people DO NOT have the kinds of jobs (as you must have)  that can afford them a way to save for retirement.  Have you not heard of "paycheck to paycheck" living?  Many jobs in the US do not provide enough money to make a living, even if both partners work.  I have seen families where both partners EACH work 2 jobs and they can't make it......

Now I agree that we need to live within our means and the government should not waste tax money on outdated programs- but let's be crystal clear.  If the top 2% of the population and the giant corporations simply paid their fair share, this entire discussion would be moot.

There, I've recognized the elephant in the room.

May 15, 2011 06:13 AM
Ron Jesser
Real Estate eBroker Palm Springs - Palm Springs, CA
Palm Springs California Homes For Sale

John- my comments went to Adam.  Your post was perfect in its content and presentation.  Thanks, Ron

May 15, 2011 06:17 AM
Gerard Falzon
- Gianni Property Group - Cary, NC - Cary, NC
Rental Property Expert, Investment Property Expert

John,

Did you "copy and paste" the "According to various reports there is a serious of 5 events that could result in a debt default."  It looks that way to me.  Doesn't look like original work.  You should cite and give credit to the original source.

I don't understand how a borrower who forces himself to live within his means and who forces himself to pay his creditors first would not create a better credit environment for himself.  My understanding is that our minimum debt payments amount to 5% of tax receipts.  As such, only a fool would not pay his creditors first and thus default.  

I'm with Tim (# 11).  If we don't raise the ceiling and make tough spending decisions, our bond rates will stay low, the dollar would rise, mortgage rates won't rise by much, and small-business lending will loosen because banks won't be able make money by avoiding risk like have been for the past couple of years.    

On the other hand, the cuts will be painful; very painful.  The longer we wait, the more painful that they'll be.  The over-inflated stock market might need to crash through a couple key support levels before it finds its true value. 

May 15, 2011 06:52 AM
John Saari
Worcester, MA
"The Mortgage Buddy"

Thanks for the feedback Gerald. "according to various reports" is just that. There is a group of economists that do studies on this data and this is some of the feedback that they have given. I appreciate you recommending what you think I should do in my post, it shows you are really interested. I'm a day trader and a loan officer and from a market perspective the debt ceiling has to be raised and I'm very confident it will. That of course isn't the long term solution, but rather something to "buy" us some time until we make the big cuts that we need to, particularly in respect to entitlement spending. You are right about the market, the main reason we have had this run up is because of the weaker dollar, but that was the purpose of Bernanke policy.

SSI age needs to be raised/military spending needs to be cut/medicare and medicaid need reform/welfare needs tighter regulation. The list goes on and on, but these are huge programs with powerful lobbys. Programs don't get this big without being popular and powerful.

 

May 15, 2011 07:04 AM
Gerard Falzon
- Gianni Property Group - Cary, NC - Cary, NC
Rental Property Expert, Investment Property Expert

John,

Why does it need to be raised?  Can't we live with a budget that consists of 5% DTI?  Can't the federal gov't sell off some of its assets like western land, AIG stock, federal office buildings.  Can't it restructure federal retirement to some kind of means-test?  To me, there's so much "slop" in the system that I don't see what the big deal is about.

May 15, 2011 09:02 AM
Kimo Jarrett
Cyber Properties - Huntington Beach, CA
Pro Lifestyle Solutions

The voters need to stop reelecting the corrupt politicians and demand two term limits from every elected official. I could write a book about the solutions but as long as voters keep reelecting incumbents, we'll never get out of the crisis we're in, so I'll keep voting for fiscally responsible people regardless of party affiliation.

May 15, 2011 09:03 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Kimo... although I can think of many multi-term conservatives who I would love to see thrown out of office, I disagree with term limits.  Unfortunately, if the majority of people are dumb enough to elect these jerks, they are simply getting what they deserve.  With that being said, I do not want my choice of candidates to be diminished by artificial term limits.

We already HAVE term limits.  It's called voting.

May 15, 2011 09:58 AM
paul reiter
houdini housing - Gary, IN
Cut the deficit? Well- Maybe we could end a war or two- we've already lost the war on poverty and lost the war on drugs. We still have troops stationed in Germany and Japan and Korea and Vietnam. (and many countries we've not "warred" with) Maybe we could end the subsidy for oil companies and maybe tax overseas profits for American corporations. Maybe restore the imheritance taxes and raise taxes on inces over $250,000. Maybe "we" should look at lobbyists who seem to control the congress. Maybe we could repair the infrastructure we have rather than start new projects. But- leave the social security system alone please.
May 15, 2011 10:27 AM
Ray Waisler
Finance of America - Atlanta, GA
NMLS #6621 - Specializing in Jumbo FHA & VA

John, hold on tight, it's going to be bumpy ride. I firmly believe we are headed for a double dip, maybe not this year, but it's coming given the inconsistent technicals and the amount of money sitting on the sidelines. Just as a we are worried about the debt ceiling as individuals, it is much more worrisome for Wall Street.

May 15, 2011 12:15 PM
DeeDee Riley
Lyon Real Estate - El Dorado Hills CA - El Dorado Hills, CA
Realtor - El Dorado Hills & the Surrounding Areas
John, This is a lot to take in and I thank you so much for explaining it all! I feel so helpless at times.
May 15, 2011 02:30 PM
Robert Courtney
Lihue, HI
Century 21 All Islands, RA, CDPE, MCRE, CIAS

John - I agree with what you say.  I have served as an elected official.  I know tough decisions do not get you relected.  So I am hoping we have some elected officials ready to pay the price by making sound financial decisions.  The load we are pushing off is going to come down around us if they make a poor decision.  The sun will still rise on Tuesday!

May 15, 2011 07:28 PM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Spending is the problem - and if we all look around just at what we see we could probably each see ways to cut thousands. And those thousands would add up to millions, which add up to billions...

Meanwhile, private enterprise needs to be able to add jobs - which would add taxpayers.

Instead, the government is the one doing the hiring - and more hiring. I realize government employees do pay taxes, but still... the rest of the taxpayers have to come up with the wages for all those thousands of people.

I think it would be really fun to hire someone to landscape my yard. And I'd love to put in a new building with a heated swimming pool. Oh, and I'd like a greenhouse. If I was like the government, I'd just go right ahead and do all those things and charge it to my kids - or my grand-kids.

 

May 15, 2011 08:12 PM
Anonymous
John Demmers

You realtors are funny. What a joke of a "profession". 

Where are you getting your free lunch today?

May 15, 2011 11:36 PM
#48
Jennifer Manchester
Suburban Properties of Charlotte, LLC - Mint Hill, NC
GRI, ePRO, ASP - Broker/Home Stager

Thanks for your insite and info.  I personally feel the government needs to learn to live within its means.  The average person cannot last managing money the way they do.  If your income goes down you adjust and sometimes have to make tough decisions.  They are going to have to make some tough decisions and not everyone is going to be happy.

May 16, 2011 01:49 AM
Anonymous
DAG

When Washington votes to spend money - or give tax breaks to corporations - plenty of whom pay no taxes, when they allow offshore stashing of money to dodge taxes - they are setting the ceiling for expenditures. Voting to raise the ceiling is simply an afterthought - spending and tax cutting demands it!

May 16, 2011 03:10 AM
#50
Phil Porter
Charter One Realty - Hilton Head Island, SC

Interesting article in the paper this morning about selling the gold at Fort Knox and apply it to the debt. Not sure about that. As some of the experts in the article mentioned the gold is a psychological plus for our financial system.

It also talked about selling the interstate highway system to private companies to maintain and charge tolls. I'm sure I don't tolls, and I'm not sure private industry could or would maintain the highways better.

Lots to think about.

May 16, 2011 05:53 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

The real problem will be if we do not control the spending in this country. 

However, here is an option.  We put the country up on a Short Sale, live in it for 2 years while we deal with the bank - without payments.  Push the offer from the Canadians and then rent it back from them.  I know there is an arms length disclosure, but really who is going to enforce it.

May 16, 2011 08:45 AM
Jayne Clement
Keller Williams Realty - Los Feliz, CA
Los Angeles Short Sale Agents

Wish I could raise my "debt ceiling."  Not good news.

May 18, 2011 09:00 AM
Ralph Janisch ABR CRS Broker
Janisch & Co. - Conroe, TX
Selling Northwest Houston to good people like you!

If anyone really believes that today's politicians will reign in spending they are obviously smoking some really good weed. Our country is in really deep dark inky $--t.  Plenty of blame to go around and not a lot the general populace can do about it.  Just continue to vote your conscience.....(hopefully you have one) and keep the faith that good will eventually triumph over the evil in all our elected non-leaders.

May 26, 2011 01:08 PM