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Don't Do As I Do, ...Do As I Say!...............(You Don't Want No Sparks, Baby!)

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Home Inspector with Aspect Inspection

Don't Do As I Do, Do As I Say!............... Don't open the electrical panels. That's my job (or your electricians). We have the training, but there is always a degree of risk. So don't open your panels! Period.

Around here the electrical utilities normally lock-out the larger voltage switching and bus bar panels. They do this for a reason. Higher voltages are dangerous. There is no serge protection and arcing potential is high. (That means sparks baby!, You'se don't want no sparks.!)

The lock-out devises are simple one-use wire and plastic things with the utilities logo in them. If they've been opened you can't fake it and put them back on. They (The utility company, the electrician, and the inspector) are going to know. So those panels are meant to be left alone.

But if the tags are opened or gone, or lying on the floor, I will (very carefully) take a peak, just to ensure nothing's wrong. Usually all is fine, but imagine what I thought of this:

panel cover

Where that pencil is, that's where the lock-out tag should be, hymmm.

So as you can imagine I had a look? 

Well this is what I saw:

elect sw panel

I may have said "Oh f....." out loud, but I took a picture and closed it back up.

 

Why? , Because this is what you should expect to see in a switch panel of this type;

Reg Sw Panerl

Yeah, cartridge fuses that have big thick solid metal contact bars which in conductivity are very nearly the same as the metal in those big black wires that you see there.

But in the other switch panel behind the pencil closer, those are thin pieces of metal corner beading used by the drywall carpenters to create perfect corners on joint taped gyproc walls. 

They are not electrical components! They are scraps from construction that should not be in an electrical panel. You might as well have used a piece of a tin can!. That metal is thicker.

There is a piece of wire, as single strand, tucked inside it to make it thick enough to be held by the fuse contacts. this does not equal the load capacity of the supply and load wires (big black ones) entering and leaving the switch box.

What does that mean. It means when there is a demand load on this service these pieces of metal are going to get hot. Maybe really hot. Maybe they could start a fire hot.

 

So I said "Oh Frozen" NOT.

I said " Oh, Further investigation required by a qualified master electrician! "  and then took my photo and closed the cover.

In this case it is not an emergency because further on the load side the power is split into two smaller switch boxes and theses are both properly fused for protection.

However a qualified electrician is a specialist and has the final say on the safety of this system. This was the most surprising detail I discovered here, but not the only concern.

 

So when you need a full inspection or need to know if further specialized service of any type is required you need the benefit of a qualified and experienced inspector.

If you're in the Montreal area and you need a full inspection..............

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Gwynn Carpenter
Gwynn Teal Carpenter-Broker: Home and Hearth Realty (Austin) - Austin, TX
: Broker, Home & Hearth Realty (512)467-6191

Robert:  Do it yourself isn't an exclusive on repairs that involve just wood or tile or plumbing.....BUT ELECTRICITY will kill you if you don't know what you are doing - how come no one thinks of that before they begin the DIY project??/  I'll leave it to you guys - inspectors to say its wrong and electricians to make it right.

May 16, 2011 12:02 PM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Robert,

That is a new and potentially exciting and electrifying variation on the theme of putting coins in old fuse panels.

May 16, 2011 02:26 PM
Not a real person
San Diego, CA

Why that is absolutely beautiful!

I’ve never been an electrician because my granddad, dad, and three uncles were electricians, so I think I was rebelling. When I think back on some of the things we did when we were building our houses, I wonder how I ever made it.

May 16, 2011 04:09 PM
Lynn B. Friedman CRS Atlanta, GA 404-617-6375
Atlanta Homes ODAT Realty - Love our Great City - Love our Clients! Buckhead - Midtown - Westside - Atlanta, GA
Concierge Service for Our Atlanta Sellers & Buyers

Dear Robert,

It is so important to have a qualified inspector review a home. 
Your photos really illustrate that point.  Glad there was no chance of fire.

Have a happy day -
Lynn

 

May 16, 2011 04:59 PM
Dick and Dixie Sells
Sells Real Estate, LLC - Trinity, FL
Realtors, Tampa Bay Florida Homes For Sale

Oh "frozen" is right. Down right scary. I am very very respectful of electricity! Amazing!

May 16, 2011 11:12 PM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Hi Gwynn. Yes it can kill so it has to be done right.

Steve I never imagined corner bead put to this use.

I see you got a 'charge' out of it Russel.

Thank you Lynn, happy day to you to.

Frozen or not you have to respect the power of electricity. Thanks for commenting Dick & Dixie.

 

May 17, 2011 02:41 AM
Jack Gilleland
Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton - Clayton, OH

Robert, It is downright frightening.  I'm surprized they haven't had problems to this point.  Good blog, by the way.

May 17, 2011 07:49 AM
Kevin J. May
Florida Supreme Realty - Hobe Sound, FL
Serving the Treasure & Paradise Coasts of Florida

Robert, that is a scary looking fix.  I did recognize the corner bead but would never have expected to see it there.  Maybe the pencil was there for writing the last will & testament. 

May 17, 2011 07:54 AM
Robert Rauf
CMG Home Loans - Toms River, NJ

OH F--- is absoulutely right!  Fuses, we dont need no stink-in fuses!  imagine if the metal was touching the box, may have just added to your day -

May 17, 2011 08:24 AM
Peter Schattenfield
Turning Point Estate Services LLC - Wilton, CT
Estate Dissolution and Preparation (203)388-8092 CT.

Robert, That is a new one for me. I've seen pennies in the fuse box before but this was downright creative.

May 17, 2011 11:04 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Robert,

This is why circuit breakers were invented. Because people always figured a way around fuses. Fuses are better when that are the right fuse for the right application and have not been messed with.

May 17, 2011 12:55 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Robert, nice---UL listed corner bead---it has to be a first :)

May 17, 2011 01:14 PM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Yes Jack. There have been electrical changes or reno so there may have been problems.

Hi Kevin. It crossed my mind that the pencil was there to use to 'handle' the 'fuse'. The string ran through the cover hole and acted as a limit to how far the cover would fall. In the photo that string is holdini=g the cover in that position.

Robert if the metal was touching the box it might have ended the days of anyone who came near.

Yes Peter. Pennies in a fuse got put there as a shot term 'fix' on the spur of the moment. If you went and bought new correctly sized fuses the next day and put them in, you'd be OK. 

 This was a deliberate 'repair', nothing spur of the moment about it.

You are exactly right Don. Fuses never fail, breakers can, but it people who mess with fuses.

Yes it's definitely a first for me Charlie, and a surprise. I would never have dreamed that up.

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