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My Most Recent AND STUNNING Issue with Home Values!!!!

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Mortgage and Lending with Cherry Creek Mortgage Illinois Residential Mortgage License LMB #0005759 Cherry Creek Mortgage NMLS #: 3001 NMLS ID# 158606

I had the chance to meet with State Represenative Randy Hultgren's Office two days ago.  We spoke about the real estate problems.  I had told them that round two is coming and it's going to be bigger than the first bunch that hit us.  Needless to say, I really think that it's going to hit hard. 

The government needs to allow:

Rate and term refinances need to be allowed no matter what the loan to value is.  I was just helping a lady trying to get refinanced to a lower mortgage rate and her house is upside down.  LTV?  136%.  The government says no.  The bank says no.  She hires me as an attorney and we climb up the ladder and still no, no, no.  However, B of A says that if she would go into default and miss three payments then she could get a rate in the 2% mark. 

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

She is making her payments fine.  She's cash strapped, but doesn't meet the qualification of being in financial hardship.  Her rate, though, is well over 6.25% and she wants a market rate.  Why not give it.  Give it with a price hit or an overlay.  But B of A says that she needs to miss some payments and then you and I as a taxpayer will subsidize her rate down to somewhere in the 2% range.  She doesn't want to be a strategic walk away.  She has morals.  She signed her name to a contract and wants to make the payment.  In fact, she's never missed a payment.

There's something wrong with this picture!

 

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Comments(14)

Sussie Sutton
David Tracy Real Estate - Houston, TX
David Tracy Real Estate for Buyers & Sellers

That is so moronic.... BOA and others like them need a stupid check. I am so dang tired of this mess.

Jun 23, 2011 02:39 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Larry... this is the one thing that I will never understand... something that could be simple.  And yes, she would have to miss payments... then more money is added on.. and more people make money off of this deal also... just a vicious cycle. And yes, who pays for it at the end of the day? The tax payers... talk about banks getting geedy. Overall.. I think there needs to be some sort of foregiveness when it comes to refinances. Good example... for those with FHA mortgages that would streamline with no appraisal. I understand HUD doesn't want to raise the loan amount... but how about allowing that borrower to have a cheaper mortgage insurance payment if they had the loan for over 1 year with excellent payments... and not the new MI hit. Some things need to be thought out...

jeff belonger

Jun 23, 2011 02:46 AM
Mimi Foster
Falcon Property Company - Colorado Springs, CO
Voted Colorado Springs Best Realtor

My grandfather's favorite expression in situations like this, "The inmates have taken over the asylum."  There is no reason, and the more we deal with this kind of insanity, the more you see that it is the truth.  I'm in the middle of a B of A short sale, approved with BPO at $84,000, they have dragged this out to 9 months, call for another BPO three days before closing and bring an agent in from Denver (100+ miles away), who brings it in at $120,000.  NO ONE in the country you can talk to or reason with.  I love how you are fighting for these people.

Jun 23, 2011 02:56 AM
Alan May
Jameson Sotheby's International Realty - Evanston, IL
Home is where the hearth is.

There's something seriously wrong with this picture... she's trying to do the right thing..... and nobody will allow it... but if she does the WRONG thing, the U.S. taxpayer will pick up the tab.

Excuse me, but I have to go free-associate somewhere for a while and blow off some steam.

Jun 23, 2011 02:59 AM
Larry Bettag
Cherry Creek Mortgage Illinois Residential Mortgage License LMB #0005759 Cherry Creek Mortgage NMLS #: 3001 - Saint Charles, IL
Vice-President of National Production

Susie....me too!

Jeff...what gets me is that no one wants to buy the new mortgage backed security if the property is upside down....but the property IS ALREADY upside down.  Let's just reduce the risk that the borrower defaults....even by charging a premium to the borrower.

Mimi....like beating my head against a wall.  Simply amazing!

Alan....It is amazing.  So long as people do the wrong thing the government will pick up the tab.  Moronic.....

Jun 23, 2011 03:16 AM
Rebekah Radice
Imagine WOW! Digital Marketing Agency - Burbank, CA
Social Media Marketing, Coaching & Training

Absolutely unbelievable Larry and the problem is - we're dealing with situations like these everyday.  I keep wondering when the madness will end.  Instead it only gets more difficult for someone like this lady to take advantage of low rates.  Grrrrr!

Jun 23, 2011 03:39 AM
Al Raymondi
Ocean View Realty Group in Ormond By The Sea Florida - Ormond Beach, FL
Ormond By The Sea Florida - Home and Condo Sales

There is certainly a problem with the picture and not much about the situation makes any sense at all.  Sad part is it will probably not change any time soon, if ever.

Jun 23, 2011 03:49 AM
Mike Saunders
Retired - Athens, GA

Larry - as long as she keeps paying, and showing a willingness to pay, at her current rate, the bank will not reconsider. There is a short sighted-ness both in gov't and banking (which is underwritten by government confiscation of citizens money), yeah, the system is broken, but why fix it while the "right" people make money.

 

Jun 23, 2011 05:30 AM
Mimi Foster
Falcon Property Company - Colorado Springs, CO
Voted Colorado Springs Best Realtor

As an afterthought, we have had tremendous success contacting State Senators.  They are more than happy to get involved, ESPECIALLY if the person in question is elderly. 

Jun 23, 2011 10:23 AM
Tracy McPeek
Cottonwood, CA

I'm at a loss, just today I was reading about a new program (Dodd-Frank) that allows for $1Billion to allow for struggling homeowners in 32 states to have access to money for a bridge loan that will be "forgiven" if they make the payments on time (no payments for up to 5 years).  The problem is that they have to already be at least 90 days behind and unemployed or underemployed.  Seems like if someone is that far behind they have a very high chance of not being able to climb out of the hole.  Seems like there is no help for the person struggling but still paying.  The article estimated that the $1Billion would help about 30,000 people in 32 states.  Seems like they could spend it better to help more people before they get that far behind.

Jun 23, 2011 10:31 AM
Goodbye Active Rain
Out of Real Estate

It goes to show that the banks are in charge of people's lives including the politicians.  I've been saying this for years now.  They don't care!  This system is a complete failure and we need to move on to a better one before it's too late.

Jun 23, 2011 12:37 PM
Judy Jennings
Top Agent Plus - Middleboro, MA
Tap into Judy's real estate expertise & resources.

Larry - This just gets my blood boiling. The system is so screwed up and corrupt, it's just sad.

Jun 23, 2011 01:12 PM
Ron Brown NMLS #270845
NMLS ID: 40831 - Federal Way, WA

The client will be better off allowing the home to go into foreclosure for more than just the "underwater" math reasons.  Currently, most banks are requiring a longer seasoning period for a short sale than they do for an outright foreclosure.  Check out mortgagee letter 09-52.  This is being used by many banks (though not all) to justify a 48 to 72 month seasoning for borrowers with a short sale when the required time to wait after a foreclosure is still only 36 months.

Jun 23, 2011 03:00 PM
Mimi Foster
Falcon Property Company - Colorado Springs, CO
Voted Colorado Springs Best Realtor

Thought of you today when I saw this question pop up on Realtor.com.  Too many people in this situation.

What is a couple to do when their house is completely upside down (paid $435k in 2008, now worth $285k, interest only mortgage with ballon in 2012) - we can't refinance because of the market, do not qualify for any HAFA or other special progams out there because we make our payments on time - so there is no option - other than to try to rent it out, buy a new house and then short sale the current one? If we wait until our mortgage payments change in 2012, then we will not be able to afford our current house and our PERFECT credit will suffer and we will not ever get out from the mess . . .we got our credtit PERFECT and were hoping to take advantage of the low interest rates - but NO ONE will touch us. Any suggestions?


Jun 24, 2011 08:27 AM