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Does the bath tub overflow leak? There's only one way to find out.

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Home Inspector with Structure Tech Home Inspections

Many years ago, I learned about a bath tub leak that I never caught during my home inspection.  The seller didn't have any children and didn't take baths, so they never knew about the problem with the bath tub drain.  I did my standard inspection of the bath tub, which included filling the tub up with about four inches of water and then letting it drain.  I didn't find any leaks and never reported a problem.  

After the new owners moved in, the first time their children used the bath tub water began leaking through the kitchen ceiling.  

Why didn't I catch that leak?  

Bath tub overflowBecause I didn't test the overflow.  The first time the kids took a bath, they filled the water up as high as it would go.  When the water hit the overflow, it leaked right through the overflow in to the wall cavity because the overflow wasn't connected properly.  If the overflow drain at the bath tub isn't connected properly or has a worn out seal, it's going to leak, and sometimes profusely.

That was a real 'duh' moment for me.  I had never heard of other home inspectors testing the overflow, so I just assumed that doing this was beyond our standards of practice.  After hearing about the leak, I realized that this was something that I could have been testing all along, as long as I can view the bath tub drain via an access panel in the wall or floor.  I checked my Standards of Practice, and according to 6.1, A, 1, I'm supposed to inspect the plumbing fixtures.  What that means and how I do it is pretty much up to me.

From that point on, I started testing bath tub overflow drains, and I've since found dozens and dozens of bath tub drains that leak at the overflow.  I've also found that this test forces me to run a lot of water down the drains, and if the main building drain has a clog, there's a good chance that I'll find out about it after running all this water.

The video below shows the worst overflow leak I've ever found; this was at a house that was being 'flipped'.  Luckily it was an unfinished basement, so the leaking water didn't do any damage.

 

If you want to test your own bath tub overflow, it's very easy to do.  Just fill up your bath tub with water and watch the back side of the overflow when the water starts draining in to it.  If it's not working right, you'll know.

Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Jay - absolutely!

Jun 28, 2011 02:58 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

You'll LOVE this story.  And Robert!

With new construction (or flips) nothing has really been tested with time. The home inspection is the first test!

Once when I checked to see if the plumbing had been glued, and thought it had not, I tested it and the overflow valve leaked.  So my client didn't trust anything.

He asked me to test the drain hole under the drip pan where the washing machine would go. I had certainly NEVER done that! So I did, and guess what!?  Yepper!!

And, AND, the builder was mad at me for causing damage to the drywall ceiling and floor underneath!!

This was many years ago.  I remember it because the client was Asian.  The house was FULL of family!  And the drip pan leaked through a light fixture onto hardwood floors.  The whole crew saw it and let out a long, "Ohhhh!"  Their Asian Oh does not sound like our English Oh, you should know.

Did I have liability?  Of course not!  But the builder was mad at ME, of course!  It was my fault.

I went straight to my corner beside the piano...

Jun 28, 2011 03:13 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Reuben, I pretty much assume they are going to leak and inform my buyer/client accordingly.  I would say that around here only about 10 percent of tubs have any view of the connection.

Jun 28, 2011 03:20 AM
Eileen Hsu
Douglas Elliman Real Estate - Manhattan, NY
LICENSED REAL ESTATE SALESPERSON

Great tip. Most of the time buyers do not test this type of leak, and I guess if they don't bath or overflow the bathtub, they will not find out about it.

Jun 28, 2011 03:30 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Jay - I DO love that story!  I can picture the entire thing playing out.  Testing the washing machine drip pan is one that I haven't tested yet.  How did you do it?  Pour a bucket of water down?

Charles - no view of the connection? So what happens when the wedding ring goes down the bath tub drain?  ;)

Eileen - exactly.   It's not a problem that most owners will ever experience.

Jun 28, 2011 03:39 AM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

Reuben, you'd think when they built the house they would have connected the overflow properly! I have seen inspectors fill the tub to check overflow. It seems like a waste of water, but better to know than have it ruin drywall after move-in.

Jun 28, 2011 03:58 AM
Rosalie Evans
Meritus Group Real Estate - Sioux Falls, SD
The Evans Group, Sioux Falls, SD Homes For Sale

I had an old claw foot like that and the overflow just spilled out on the floor. So does this mean it should have been hooked up to something???This was in a rental property....but I am sure that is not surprise to you.

Jun 28, 2011 04:38 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Sí, Señor, un galón, más o menos.

Bucket...

Jun 28, 2011 04:42 AM
Atlanta's Home Inspector, David Lelak IHI Home Inspections
IHI Home Inspections 404-788-2581 - Canton, GA
Experience the IHI Difference

Glad to see that you do this! We do too.

Jun 28, 2011 06:21 AM
John M. Scott
BRE # 01442690, Scott Keys Properties - San Francisco, CA
Broker / Owner San Francisco Bay Area

Reuben, I've never, ever seen an inspector check the overflow. In fact, I seem to remember on some occassions they don't even check stall showers if they're over a finished space. Seems odd to me now.

Jun 28, 2011 06:53 AM
Christine Smith
Buyers Brokers Only LLC - www.BuyersBrokersOnly.com - Canton, MA
Exclusive Buyer Agent & Attorney, Canton, MA

I've seen the overflow checked but not at every inspection. I will have to remember this at the next one.

Jun 28, 2011 06:56 AM
Irene Lai-Chan
Rando Real Estate - Modesto, CA
M.S., REALTOR

Thanks for the info.  This reminds me of one of the investment homes I came across, the fourplexes in a subdivision all have the same problem.  Several of the units have water damages in the ceiling of the first floor area, right below the bathtub on the second floor.  This is a good work item to add to the to-do list for home inspectors.

Jun 28, 2011 12:29 PM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Well thanks for answering guys. You are right about the liability of course. I'd want to find a way to check the overflow without filling the tub. There has to be a practical way to do that. You still need and access panel behind to get into the wall cavity. Many of the homes here don't have them.

Jun 28, 2011 12:56 PM
Jay Lloyd
Cape Coral Florida - Cape Coral, FL
Allpro Home Inspection

Hi Reuben, Most of our tubs don't has an access panel. I do fill the tub with water. I had one inspection where I had tested the tub, then went into an adjoining bedroom closet (because that's where the attic access was) and the carpet looked odd. So, I touched it... felt fine, then I put my moisture meter on it...it was wet, huh,... I pulled the carpet back a little and the floor was soaking wet! Evidently in this complex, the builder didn't seal the drain and this happened in a lot of the units. I only caught it because of the attic access. We can never catch everything in an inspection, and this was a new one on me. enjoy the 4th! jay

Jul 01, 2011 11:35 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Pamela - that's exactly it.

Rosalie- I'm really not sure.  Maybe it wasn't a bath tub at all... maybe it was a convenient way of pouring water on to the floor so you could mop it ;)

Jay - If I ever test one of those, I'll think of you.

David & Bonnie - good stuff!

John - no checking shower stalls if they're over a finished space?  WHAT?  How would the buyer know if it leaked?  Would they need to call a thorough home inspector?

Christine - I guess it's a matter of personal preference of the inspector.  I don't like apologizing for stuff... as in "sorry I didn't catch that, but that's not part of my service..."

Irene - I see a lot of ceiling stains below bath tubs in condo units, that's for sure.

Robert - If you come up with a way to test the overflow without actually filling the tub, please be sure to let me know about it.

Jay - good story :)  I always tell my clients that it's better if I find out about the problems during the inspection, not them while they're living there.

Jul 04, 2011 01:11 AM
Barbara-Jo Roberts Berberi, MA, PSA, TRC - Greater Clearwater Florida Residential Real Estate Professional
Charles Rutenberg Realty - Clearwater, FL
Palm Harbor, Dunedin, Clearwater, Safety Harbor

You write some extremely interesting blog posts that answer many questions! Glad I found you.

Jul 12, 2011 08:15 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Barbara-Jo - thanks, me too :)

Jul 12, 2011 11:41 PM
Anonymous
Stacey

I just wanted to thank you for this page and video. The bathroom shower in the apartment above me has been leaking into my apartment for over a week and the plumber has been at his wits end trying to figure out what's leaking. It never leaks when he's here, no matter what he tries, and he's replaced so much already in the hopes that the problem will be resolved. Using a flashlight, I've watched and witnessed exactly what is happening in your video. Now I can communicate what is happening to the plumber. Thanks for giving me the means to do that. :)

*crosses fingers*  Let's hope it will stop raining in my apartment once he's done.

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That's why it is so important to hire a trusted experienced inspector who will check everything properly during home inspection. 

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