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Realtor Commission Adjusted "Market Value"

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Is fair market value fair market value, regardless of who is listing the house? 

Should a home buyer that is looking at a FSBO Alternative Compensation, Ala Carte Real Estate, Rebatingdiscount the amount of the offer by the average commission that is added to all other homes for sale that are not FIZZZZBO’S?

Should a buyer ask for a discount on fair market value if the seller isn't using a Realtor? Commissions are built into the listing price or selling price negotiated by a Realtor, which inflates market values. But, the FSBO seller can't be expected to adjust pricing based on this model, can he? "If I'm going to do my own work, why shouldn't I reap the benefits of the Realtor-commission-adjusted "market value"?

Is the home $400,000 dollars or is it $400,000 minus $24,000 in commissions for a total of $376,000?

Are the commissions that are going to be paid going to be subtracted from the selling price?

Is the home $376,000 plus $24,000 in commissions for a total of $400,000?

Are the commissions that are going to be paid being added to the selling price?

Is the home being sold for $400,000 or $376,000?

                                       And you wonder why consumers are confused???

Whose money really pays the commissions? 

·        The seller added it to the cost of his home prior to the listing being offered

If it is the sellers’ money then there is a huge conflict that the buyers’ negotiator is being paid by the sellers’ negotiator? {Things that make you go hmmmmmm}

·        The buyer finances the commission for the next 30 years and makes payments on it after he brings his wheelbarrow full of monney to the closing table.Rebates, Ala Carte Real Estate

IF it is the buyers’ money then why shouldn’t the buyer get to choose how he/she pays for the representation?

Why should a Home Buyer be forced to enter into a contract that is made between a seller and his/her agent and not have (HIS HALF)? Of the agreement between his agent and him?

Why isn’t the Home priced for sale with a Sellers Agent Commission built in BUT not the buyers’ agent? Who decided it was the sellers’ responsibility to make sure the buyers agent gets paid? Why should the seller decide how much the buyer will pay for representation and in what fashion they will be paid?  If a Buyers Agent if “FORCED” to take 3% commission on a $400,000 sale but has been paid $2500.00 in an Alternative Compensation Agreement prior to the closing taking place, then the $9500.00 being returned to his client is an Overpayment” for services and NOT a REBATE!

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Graziella Bruner
NCS Premier Real Estate - Detroit, MI
Associate Broker - Serving Wayne & Oakland County

I believe in order to sell a home, the selling agent should be compensated their full amount!  We all know how the system works and if an agent sees that they're not getting a full commission, they don't add that home to the list, it's sad to say, but it's true.  I show whatever home that fits my clients criteria no matter what the commission is.  It's hard enough out there and as Realtors we need to make sure that both sides get paid and paid fairly.  We have to educate our sellers and buyers on the process.

Jul 11, 2011 06:12 AM
Glenn Freezman
Nucazza LLP & Home Buying Evolution, & Family Abstract, Inc - Fort Washington, PA

Graziella, thanks for the quick commment.  I agree on the sellers side being paid their full amount without question.  My question lies on the buyers side.... should thhe seller decide how the buyers agent will be paid?

Jul 11, 2011 06:15 AM
Cindy Jones
Integrity Real Estate Group - Woodbridge, VA
Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News

Glenn do you ever feel as if you are pushing a boulder uphill and you'll never reach the top?  I just finished a listing appointment where I talked to the prospective sellers about a fee for service model.  You could see the wheels spinning but the gears got stuck.  The biggest issue on the buyer's side seems to be how to return the the excess funds provided under the current commission model and not be stuck with a tax issue (as the agent) or a lender issue (as the buyer.)  Still working on it.

Jul 11, 2011 06:30 AM
Glenn Freezman
Nucazza LLP & Home Buying Evolution, & Family Abstract, Inc - Fort Washington, PA

Cindy, I liken the Boulder to be the ski lift that I thought I could see the top of before I got on the lift.  Then as it carried me higher and higher I continue to see new peaks that need to be reached before my ride is through.  BUT, the ride down will be awesome once we get there..  I'm interested to hear about your working with Buyers since that where the real inncentive lies on behalf of the buyer.

BTW, me thinks the governement has concluded that the reimbursement of the funds is not a tax event. Tthe lenders have different ways of handling the excess depending upon the program the buyer fit in and of course the day of the week, the hour in the day and the mood of the mortgage underwriter!  :)

Jul 11, 2011 06:53 AM
Cindy Jones
Integrity Real Estate Group - Woodbridge, VA
Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News

Glen the tax question comes into play with what most of have been told, right or wrong, along the way.  If the over-payment appears on the HUD and is deducted from the available commission prior to the remainder being distrubted to me then my tax consequences is only on the amount of the check I receive from the title company.  There is no tax consequence to the buyer.  However if the over-payment comes to me and then I process it to the buyer I will have the tax consequence on the full amount of the commission.  The buyer may or may not have a tax consequence.  What is your take on that scenario?

Jul 11, 2011 07:01 AM
Glenn Freezman
Nucazza LLP & Home Buying Evolution, & Family Abstract, Inc - Fort Washington, PA

Cindy, why would you process the overpayment to the buyer, when the title company does it, it shows the true story of what went on at closing, the way Respa wants it? I am going to try to put my hands on the piece of legislation

Jul 11, 2011 07:11 AM
Than Maynard
Coldwell Banker Heart of Oklahoma - Purcell, OK
Broker - Licensed to List & Sell - 405-990-8862

Reblogged with my take as follows:

When Buyer's Agents first hit the market this was a common question, especially from Sellers who often stated: "The Buyer's Agent is working for the Buyer and not me! Why should I pay for the Buyer to get an assistant?"

I've had FSBOs come in and say I was asking $100,000 and now I want to list it, but I want to increase the sales price to $110,000 to cover your fees. Really? You couldn't sell it at $100,000 and you want to increase the price by 10%?

 

This is how I see it: The Seller pays the fee because a mortgage company will not loan the commission to a Buyer. Everyone knows how it works, unless the Buyer wants to bring another X% to the closing table it will remain this way. The fight over who is actually paying the fee is really a moot point, IMHO.

Jul 11, 2011 10:00 AM
Loreena and Michael Yeo
3:16 team REALTY ~ Locally-owned Prosper TX Real Estate Co. - Prosper, TX
Real Estate Agents

Knowing what the fair market value is and wanting to go lower than that, to me has nothing to do with whether the realtor is in the picture of not. But I can assure you that's what the buyer will be thinking.

Let a blind man lead another into the transaction. It'd be a good movie to watch.

Jul 11, 2011 10:04 AM
Cindy Jones
Integrity Real Estate Group - Woodbridge, VA
Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News

Glenn if a lender only allows x% of closing cost assistance to the buyer and I negotiate with the seller to pay that amount then there is an excess that the lender will not allow on the HUD.  Then we get into the issue of taxable consequences for me and possibly for the buyer.  This is where we start to have issues.  Perhaps this isn't a common issue throughout the country but currently in my area it isn't uncommon to be able to get 3% closing cost assistance from the seller. 

Jul 12, 2011 01:54 AM
Glenn Freezman
Nucazza LLP & Home Buying Evolution, & Family Abstract, Inc - Fort Washington, PA

Than,

thanks for commenting, its appreciated.  So, if the seller clearly adds the cost of the commission, for both sides, to the asking price, and the buyer pays them, who's money is it?  I contend that every home in America is inflated by 6% (average).

Jul 12, 2011 03:45 AM
Glenn Freezman
Nucazza LLP & Home Buying Evolution, & Family Abstract, Inc - Fort Washington, PA

Loreena,   I beleive that over time the commission has been included in the value of the home so it can be monitized by the bank.  the issue is not if the realtor is involved or not, its the entire housing market perception of value.

Jul 12, 2011 03:49 AM
Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
The People You Know, Like and Trust!

The Buyers Agent is free to negotiate the amount they will be paid by the Buyer in the addition to what the Seller offers.  It's up to the Buyer if they want to pay them extra.

Jul 13, 2011 03:39 PM
Glenn Freezman
Nucazza LLP & Home Buying Evolution, & Family Abstract, Inc - Fort Washington, PA

Evelyn,  Good morning and thanks for taking the time to post a comment.  Your mising the point of the discussion, perhaps?  We are NOT looking for the buyer to pay additional money for the use of the buyers agent we are looking for the buyer to be able to subtract the guaranteed outlay of income to his agent that will be paid for all task and services that the agent provides and by doing so eliminating the risk that you evver work for free.  The quid pro quo is that since you have no risk the buyer gets the reward of your buyers commission.  So, you get paid, even if the buyer flakes out and decides against buying the home at any time.

Jul 14, 2011 03:38 AM