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There Was Little Evidence Of Mold, But The Whole House Smelled Moldy

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

Have you ever entered a house and smelled the mold?  Like the whole house is full of it?  That was the case in this house, built in the 60s, with an entirely subterranean basement.

There was little evidence of mold anywhere, but the whole house smelled moldy.

And I couldn't find it! 

The grading was good and the basement walls were dry, according to my meter, and without staining.

There was no evidence of previous flooding.

The water heater was newer, but no staining around it.

I did see a little mold under the entry staircase, which is a typical spot, but it wasn't enough to make the whole house smell like it.

Being an older house, it had the kind of HVAC system where the registers and returns are in the same room.  There was no large central return anywhere.

I like those systems; they move air well and each room is comfortable.

But I do know from experience that because there are so many returns and linear feet of return that moisture can develop.

THEN I SAW THIS!

Looking further, lots of the registers looked like this!

And the ducts inside those registers, insofar as I could see!

Taking off the furnace filter and looking inside the large return beside the unit, I saw the same!

The entire duct system seemed infested with microbial growth!

Mold, fungus, whatever, it doesn't matter.  It was everywhere.

Can it be remediated?  Probably.  But what is causing the problem? 

Does this mean the insides of the heat pump is full of such growth?  YES!  Is the unit causing the problem?  Can it be remediated inside there?

REMEMBER, MICROBIAL GROWTH IS NEVER THE PROBLEM.  IT IS A SYMPTOM OF THE PROBLEM.  MOISTURE IS THE PROBLEM, WHATEVER THE SOURCE.  AND THERE WAS A LOT OF MOLDY HVAC STUFF IN THIS HOUSE!

Hence the pervasive smell.

I'm not an HVAC guy, but I do know that when heat pumps are installed retroactively they often do not get enough necessary return air flow to balance the output they need to blow in order to operate efficiently.  Is this disparity of returned air/conditioned air volume the source of the problem? 

My recommendation:  if you walk into a house that smells moldy, there is a reason for that.  Your nose is your cheapest, and probably best, mold detector.  Everyone is allergic to some molds.  What bothers you might not bother me.  But mold is always a health issue, whatever the specie.  And it is always a symptom of the real problem in the house - moisture.

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(26)

Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay,

I can not agree with you more that mold is an indicator species. And that smell is distinctive. That would not be a good situation for anyone that is sensitive to such conditions.

Aug 15, 2011 05:33 AM
John M. Scott
BRE # 01442690, Scott Keys Properties - San Francisco, CA
Broker / Owner San Francisco Bay Area

Scary stuff jay. Never heard anything like this - I'd freak too!

Aug 15, 2011 06:05 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

You are right about your nose being the best mold detector. It's my second most valuable 'tool in the box', right afer my eyes.

Aug 15, 2011 08:41 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I hear you Don.  And you don't know what you're sensitive to until exposed!

John - 'tis.  I have never seen it before on metal registers!

Robert - I agree about those two tools!  My number one is probably my brain, but that may be a given...  Something has to organize those other two tools!

Aug 15, 2011 08:45 AM
John Mulkey
TheHousingGuru.com - Waleska, GA
Housing Guru

Jay - Looks pretty nasty, and the repairs will be expensive.  But if the price of the home justifies the expense, it can be eliminated.

Aug 15, 2011 01:17 PM
Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

Wow Jay!  You are such a sleuth!  Nothing can escape or hide from you!

Aug 15, 2011 01:48 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Nice find, Jay.  I've never heard that everyone is allergic to some molds though; I've always thought that I didn't have any allergies to molds, period.

Aug 15, 2011 02:40 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

John - I bet the inside of the HVAC unit, not visible, is a mess. 

Thanks Pat.  You have that in DC don't you?  Gimme a call, we'll see what we can find!

Reuben - an allergy is an adverse reaction or hypersensitivity to another organic substance.  I heard all that in my mold class.  You're right, though - they would have to test everybody to make that statement, but they do! I react to the green ones, penicillis and aspergillis.  They get to me for the rest of the day, sometimes through the night depending on how much I lick.

Aug 15, 2011 10:11 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

I wish there was a better way to test for molds ;)

Aug 15, 2011 11:05 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It's a la carte and expensive.  The nose works pretty well Reubs.  But it doesn't tell you what the stuff actually is, just that it's there!

And licking, of course, demonstrates that they all taste like chicken.  Really...

Aug 15, 2011 11:08 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

I was talking about licking ;)

Aug 15, 2011 11:23 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I realized that after my wonderful analysis, so I had to come back with the truest statement of all.

Aug 15, 2011 11:32 PM
Chris Smith
Re/Max Chay Realty Inc., Brokerage - New Tecumseth, ON
South Simcoe, Caledon, King, Orangeville Real Esta

Jay, I have found in several instances, that the "cure" to the problem was easy and inexpensive... the key is getting all the information to make a good decision.

Aug 16, 2011 04:46 AM
David Archibald
RE/MAX Aboutowne Realty Corp - Oakville, ON

Great article. I have never heard of mold growth in an HVAC system.

We had some mold in the attic of our 1970's era. The previous owner had added to the attic insulation and had aluminum sofits and eaves installed. Unfortunately there was not enough air flow in the attic and moisture formed on the roof sheathing and then mold. According to the remediation company we used, this is a very common issue and they said about 95% of homes of that age will have some amount of mold in them. Definitely something to watch out for as a Realtor.

Aug 16, 2011 05:16 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Sometimes that info gathering process is a long one Chris! 

David - Thanks!  Mold can be common in attics.  And there are those who don't believe that!

Aug 16, 2011 10:48 AM
Peggy James
SAMSON PROPERTIES - Woodbridge, VA
Woodbridge Virginia Area Real Estate Specialist

Goodness that is so scary! I can't even imagine what would happen when the heat gets turned on. YUCK!

Aug 17, 2011 05:31 AM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

Well Jay, i do look at registers but after this I will definitely pick they up and look more closely...thanks

Aug 17, 2011 05:38 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Peggy - it dries out the mold and blows it around the house!

Ginny - and it's visible for sure!  Take a peek!

Aug 17, 2011 06:02 AM
Larry & Jacque Ficek
Alaska Dream Makers - Wasilla, AK
Realtors - Wasilla Alaska

Jay, tastes like chicken-you cracked me up. :)

It is always a good idea to have a professional (like yourself) go through the home and check for anything that could be a detriment to the buyers. At least the huge purchase decision can be made on solid information.

If it can be re-mediated and the buyer have a new system with no further issues and they decide to continue with the purchase then more power to 'em. If not, or it will be a huge expense (or patchwork fix) then the buyers can RUN and be thankful that the only money the buyer is out is for the inspections and not a monthly recurring reminder of the issue (mortgage payment).

Jacque & Larry

Aug 17, 2011 06:49 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

J&L - home inspections are cheap at twice the price!  Glad you stopped by.

Aug 17, 2011 06:53 AM