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I am sorry your free savings did not meet your expectations!

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Mortgage and Lending with US Mortgages - David Shamansky NMLS#392126

face plantI am sorry your free savings did not meet your expectations!

I have a client that called me last week. "great news David, I have a great job now and am really interested in taking advantage of these great rates". Excellent I say let me get some basic information and see what your loan will look like. I get all the necessary info and arrive at a number of appx 150/mo. Ok maybe not as much as you hoped but its FREE. Literally the balance of their loan remains the same, we absorb ALL costs, they skip a months payment and we even fund their escrow account so they get their escrows back as cash for mad money too! The result...

 

A canceled appt, and then an email response... "I am sorry David I just dont think I am saving enough money for this to make sense"? What!?!?!?!

financial stupidityDo you actually understand this? I am happy to explain it if I wasnt clear on any part? (I say to them in email)

  1. Your balance is the SAME as it is today - hence NO COST
  2. You save a months house payments (2000 instant savings)
  3. You get your entire escrow account refunded (and its yours as we funded this account) appx 1000
  4. Your monthly savings is 150 over your current payment and its not enough?!?!

gift horseSERIOUSLY people, is this the financial prowess weve come to? Is this the epitome of looking a gift horse in the mouth or am I missing something?

Now I could understand if closing costs were piling up 5-7,000 and savings was minimal and maybe the time in the home was not going to be estimated to be long enough to justify the costs but this one has me floored.

financial stupidity signI guess I am left with this response... I am sorry your FREE savings did not meet your expectations! The 3000 of immediate cash to use the NO increase in your loan balance and the 150/mo you arent wasting was not good enough to justify or earn your business...

How wasteful and financially illiterate have we become?

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araward

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David Shamansky
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US Mortgages
6855 S Havana St Ste 520
Centennial CO 80112
720-524-8020
NMLS#392126
Equal Housing Lender

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Comments(82)

Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Too funny.  I wonder where he was during math and or business class when they taught this stuff.

Aug 23, 2011 01:54 AM
Rose Marinaccio
Coldwell Banker Residential Properties - Scarsdale, NY

I have actually come across several people who told me the same thing. Its almost like they are afraid to save the money. OR, they think there has to be a catch somewhere. You know the saying, if its too good to be true, it usually is? Well, a lot of people are afraid to make major changes right now- including possible savings on a mortgage.

Aug 23, 2011 04:48 AM
Lori Fishkind
Reliant Realty - Franklin, TN
Realtor

How far into the original loan were they?  What was the length of the new loan?  Maybe he was just looking at the long term effects, and not the sort term windfall.

Aug 23, 2011 04:59 AM
Russ Msrtin
Perl Mortgage - Chicago, IL
Residential Mortgage Advisor

Not trying to be critical here but...

1) How long has the client been in the current mortgage?  $150/savings a month may not be savings at all if they have been in the current loan a long time...

2) You NEVER skip a mortgage payment.   It may feel like since mortgages are in arrears, but that money is going somewhere.   Skipping a mortgage payment means the new loan balance is higher than it should be and that payment is being financed as part of the new loan.  The current payment is going to be collected between prepaid interest and the payoff of the old loan.

3) Is the new loan waiving escrows?  How are you funding the escrow account for the client?  Again, either the balance has to be higher or you have to be giving the borrower money out of your SRP/YSP which means they are paying an inflated rate to finance their property taxes.  That money has to come from somewhere.  I've heard of some banks transferring existing escrow balances but that rarely happens...

Please clarify...

Aug 23, 2011 05:03 AM
David Shamansky
US Mortgages - David Shamansky - Highlands Ranch, CO
Creative, Aggressive & 560 FICO - OK, Colorado Mtg

Update to all commenters - Thank you for your comments and sharing opinions and advice. To clarify I will address the last comment as I believe it is similar to many and wanted to assure all I know what I am doing and the question marks regarding the anomaly are properly addressed.

The FNMA coupon has weird trading ranges. You can go outside of those but see significant changes to pricing that are abnormal. For example I am going to use this particular scenario... While most of us have come to be used to seeing (on average) .50 hit for a .125 reduction to rate (1/2 cost to price for a .125 lower rate) you can vary this tremendously depending on where you are in relation to the coupons (sweet spot / range) knowing this here are the terms of this particular loan (that I am confident I will resolve and close next month)

At 4.25% the borrower gets a credit for all of the closing costs and all of the lender fees, title fees, broker fees, and escrows too boot (that's how the loan is technically free) they aren't adding to their balance. To address the borrower being charged a higher rate to do this, lets look a little closer at 4.125 the borrower gets NOTHING credited to them (I know this is one of those out of coupon pricing windows that plays a severe change to pricing models) the borrower could in fact reduce the rate by an 1/8th but the 16/mo savings would NEVER be realized in the entire 30yr term (so I pretty sure we aren't addressing a rate increase issue here)

In this case the borrower has been in the home a little over 2 yrs so term is not an issue (I am very cautious and respectful of that as if a borrower has 7-10yrs payments in the loan the re-amortization can actually cost them more than save them (I get math and how it works intricately and am very cautious to ensure my customer know I work for them not against them)

When you take into consideration the skip a payment question you actually do skip a payment and here is why I say this. If your loan balance is increasing your are financing your payment increase (we all are likely to get that) BUT if your balance is the same then you are simply transferring that balance to a new payment model and have to go into arrears for the next payment that would be due an daccruing interest. Since the per diem is paid to the end of the month you would not be making next months payment anyway and since the new rate is lower your accrued interest is now based on the lesser amount as well. Sure you still have 360 payments to make but this model actually costs you nothing to do and the there are some additional tips you can do to further enhance your savings and benefits.

Bottom line - I got an email stating there was an unexpected emergency and an apology for the confusion. The email follow up truly was helpful in clarifying the question/concern and this loan will go to docs prior to end of this week.

 

Aug 23, 2011 05:30 AM
Linda Fidgeon
Berkshire Hathaway Homeservices Page Realty - Wrentham, MA
Make your next move your best move!

I was going to bring up the amortiztion issue as well, but you already clarified that.  I'm glad to hear it worked out for you.

Aug 23, 2011 06:44 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

Sounds good to me.  Was there a prepay, was it a short term rate or loan?  Someone tried to pull that on my brother-in-law recently and we sent them packing.

Aug 23, 2011 09:38 AM
Joy Carter & Jeff Booker Brother and Sister Team
Keller Williams Parkland/Coral Springs Realty-GreatFloridaHomes Team - Coral Springs, FL
Trust Your Family's Move To Our Expertise!

David, Don't get discouraged......Often there is more to the story, although on the surface it really did appear to me that they were making a poor choice.

So glad it worked out in the end.  Joy 

Aug 24, 2011 02:46 AM
Gerard Gilbers
Higher Authority Markeing - Asheboro, NC
Your Marketing Master

Sounds like they should have gone for that knowing more of the information, I would have. I might have even used the money I saved as a payment against the principal on the first payment I make just to lessen the burden!

Aug 25, 2011 06:04 PM
Jamie King
Hoty Enterprises, Inc. - Huron, OH
Sandusky, OH

Are you kidding me?!?! Lots of homeowners would love a refi with no closing costs to get today's rates!

Aug 26, 2011 12:55 AM
Liane Thomas, Top Listing Agent
Professional Realty Services® - Corona, CA
Bringing you Home!

OMG! I would have jumped on that! We are refi'ing my husbands car, saving $8/mo and cutting a few months off. And I was really happy with that!

Aug 27, 2011 05:21 AM
Amy Robinson
London Pierce Real Estate - Scottsdale, AZ
Realtor, Scottsdale Arizona Homes For Sale

Hi David,  I know this senario LOL. My husband is a mortgage broker and he tells me the same stories sometimes.  Its hard to beleive it can be so hard for people to understand sometimes.

Aug 28, 2011 05:54 AM
Sandy Acevedo
951-290-8588 - Chino Hills, CA
RE/MAX Masters, Inland Empire Homes for Sale

Hi David, this is so hard to believe. Wish I had such a choice.      

Aug 28, 2011 06:06 AM
Jill Sackler
Charles Rutenberg Realty Inc. 516-575-7500 - Long Beach, NY
LI South Shore Real Estate - Broker Associate

I'm going with comment #30. Either they really didn't understand what you were saying or they were going with someone else.

Aug 28, 2011 07:15 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Sorry about that . . . but you know the back-story, right?  Their son has a friend in the business who helped and they're going to use the son's buddy . . . who happens to be in Ohio.  HA HA HA

Aug 28, 2011 07:16 AM
Barb Van Stensel
Chicago, IL

Sounds like they just couldn't understand it, or it was "too good to be true" and the friend probably charged them up the whazoo!

Aug 28, 2011 08:43 AM
Sharon Alters
Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - 904-673-2308 - Fleming Island, FL
Realtor - Homes for Sale Fleming Island FL

So glad they finally understood how you were helping them and are going to take advantage of this great loan!

Sharon

Aug 28, 2011 04:33 PM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

David;

What is there not to understand.  Maybe they thought you were trying to take advantage of them.  It makes no sense.

Aug 28, 2011 05:17 PM
Carrie Sampron
Home Smart Realty Group - Highlands Ranch, CO
ABR SFR & Kathy Sampron (303) 931-3629 Highlands R

Hey David: Who needs to save money in this market anyway?! I sure do! Carrie

Aug 30, 2011 11:51 AM
Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

Clearly he did not understand or was not serious.

Sep 01, 2011 01:34 AM