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Like any good referee---even when they are wrong they are still right.

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Home Inspector with Charles Buell Inspections Inc.

There seems to be a general lack of understanding about the building codes and the enforcement of codes.  They are touted as the "final" word while at the same time they are known to be a "minimum standard" to which structures must conform.

New Construction gets inspected all along the wayHome inspectors are often chastised for quoting codes and most Home Inspectors do not put code references in their actual reports.  I refrain from doing so myself.  However, when pressed by a builder, I have no problem resorting to" public information" to support my opinions---whether it is the Building Codes or Manufacturer's Instructions.  With many builders, it is not much of a challenge to win these arguments.  Having been a builder for 33 years myself, there have been many opportunities to have interpreted the codes improperly or to have not even known the codes.  This school of hard knocks approach to "learning" the codes helps me today in understanding how things get built out of compliance.  

Of course codes change with the times  and they vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction---so one must be VERY careful when citing any code on any given property.  The language of any defect in the home is almost always "softened" with appropriate language like: "may not conform to current standards," or that the installation is not: "typical of requirements in most jurisdictions at time of construction."  Some code requirements are more universal (covering all jurisdictions) and have clear-cut start dates as to when they became required.  This would lead to wording in the report that might say that the item is "missing" as opposed to "may be missing" or would make a "good safety improvement."Almost time for the framing inspection

I once had an instructor in a code class make the following statement (or at least something close to this):  "The code is not what you think it says, what you wish it says, what you hope it says, what someone told you it says---or even what you know it says.  The code is just the code."  This was just their way of getting across that one has to be very careful "interpreting" the code---it is very easy to read it to say what one needs it to say.  

Officially, "interpretation" of the code is left to the Jurisdictional Inspectors---they have the final say.  Like any good referee---even when they are wrong they are still right.  Resistance is futile as they say.  Of course, even among jurisdictional inspectors, there is almost always someone above the guy actually doing the inspections to appeal to---and sometimes that will work out alright for you---sometimes it won't.  Just remember that it is OK to be wrong---this is how we learn about the codes sometimes---especially the many nuances of the codes.

So now to the famous line that we have all heard---perhaps have even used:  "But it passed all the Jurisdictional Inspections and I have the Certificate of Occupancy right here!"  Your version of this statement may vary, but they all amount to the same attempt to get across that there could not be anything wrong with the house because it passed all these various inspections.

Welcome to: JURISDICTIONAL INSPECTIONS 101.

If the jurisdictional inspectors spent the kind of time looking at homes that most home inspectors do, nobody would stand for what the permits would cost.  In other words, the jurisdictional inspectors MUST rely on builders to know what they are doing.  (No laughing in class please!)  It is true nonetheless.  In fact right on many permits it will say something to the effect that not only is the jurisdictional inspector not responsible for code violations that are missed but that it is the builder's responsibility (actually whoever draws the permit) to build everything to "current regulations."  

Foundation drainage systemIn a sense these jurisdictional inspections are "feel good" rules and regulations that allow the consumer to feel protected.  Now before everyone gets all up in arms at what a crappy job these guys do, let me remind everyone that  we do get what we pay for.   For the jurisdictional inspector to "actually" do what we "think" they should be doing, it would likly cost at least 10 times as much as what a permit costs now.  Permits are very IN-expensive when you really think about it.  

In fairness to the jurisdictional inspectors, based on my many years of dealing with them, they ARE VERY GOOD AT CATCHING THE IMPORTANT STUFF IN MOST CASES.  In other words they are pretty good at keeping builders from killing people.  This is what you are paying for with the permit---not all the little nit picky code violations the Home Inspector finds after the CO is issued.  

In a vary real sense, the fee of the lowly home inspector can be seen as part of the checks and balances of making the house safe for the public that we are unwilling to pay for in the purchase of the original permit.  

The Jurisdictional Inspectors and the Home Inspectors are not to be seen as adversaries---but partners.  And like all partners---there will be disagreements.  It does not bother me in the least that sometimes I might be over ruled---as long as my buyer is being taken care of and they are getting the information they need to make the right decisions.  This partnership is especially important as it relates to all those misguided folks that attempt to do things without permits.  I know this is "America," and it is our God-given right to avoid paying higher taxes, but the amount your taxes will increase will be nothing compared to what it might cost you to get that new addition to pass code after-the-fact.

Class, you have now graduated.

So when you get that famous line that the house has passed all "Jurisdictional Inspections," you will have the appropriate response:
 "So what?"

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Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Charlie,

This is a great post. You pretty much hit it out of the park on that one. It sums up how it is, should be and how we all should be working together to the betterment of the industry.

Aug 30, 2011 03:25 AM
Bill Reddington
Re/max By The Sea - Destin, FL
Destin Florida Real Estate

Most of the homes I sell are not new construction. But still see instances periodically that make you scratch your head and say how did that pass inspection. Always stress inspections.

Aug 30, 2011 03:56 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Don, some people do not seem to get the whole concept of our all being in this big boat together :)

Bill, yes for sure.  Everyone is capable of missing things---and why it is so important to have lots of eyes looking.

Aug 30, 2011 04:23 AM
Jim McCormack
Nashville Short Sale Specialist - Jim McCormack - Edge Advantage Realty, LLC - 615-796-6898 - Murfreesboro, TN
Nashville Short Sale REALTOR - Stop Foreclosure

Good points.

Aug 30, 2011 05:09 AM
Jan Green - Scottsdale, AZ
Value Added Service, 602-620-2699 - Scottsdale, AZ
HomeSmart Elite Group, REALTOR®, EcoBroker, GREEN

Great post and information.  Having been a builder you have a unique over someone else without that background.  Best of luck!

Aug 30, 2011 06:09 AM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

Codes, permits....they all frustrate me. I try and make sure my buyers get the best resource they can for this. Ugh

Aug 30, 2011 06:18 AM
Gerard Gilbers
Higher Authority Markeing - Asheboro, NC
Your Marketing Master

This clears up the waters for questions about why do we need another inspector and the differences. 

Aug 30, 2011 07:14 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jim, thanks

Jan, sometimes I wonder :)

Karen, it really can be tough with so many different jurisdictions, codes---and then the people that don't bother to get permits at all.  It can make it a nightmare for all of us involved in this business.

Gerard, if we are looking for the best information---the more inspections the better.

Aug 30, 2011 07:40 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

Charles very thoughtful and informative.  I also suspect that there are some rules that are more important than other rules - There are the written Rules and the Real Rules.

Aug 30, 2011 07:49 AM
Dagny Eason
Dagny's Real Estate - Wilton, CT
Fairfield County CT, CDPE Homes For Sale and Condo

That was an amazingly great piece of work, Charles!   No wonder you are king!

Aug 30, 2011 08:29 AM
Julie Babcock -Nook & Cranny Home Inspections
Nook & Cranny Home Inspections Tonawanda, NY - Tonawanda, NY

Excellent post!  I thoroughly enjoyed reading it :)

Aug 30, 2011 01:33 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Gene, I am afraid that is always the case :)

Dagny, I am not sure about "king"---but it sounds nice :)

Hi Julie, I thought I knew all the inspectors on here :)  I checked out your blog and see you haven't posted in a while.  Keep blogging---and if you want google to go to work for you, upgrade to Rainmaker---it will very quickly pay for itself unless you arelared own google in your area. :)

Aug 30, 2011 01:47 PM
Scott Warga
ACSI American Construction Specialists & Investigations - Gilbert, AZ

Nice job on the Blog.

I am one of the few that will quote the code.

I have developed relationships with the local Building Officials and a few of the Inspectors.

I have even spoke a couple of times at the local ICC meetings.

I find that often the reason that Building inspectors don't call something out is they don't understand what damage will result if it is not done properly.

Take the windows that Carla mentioned, The inspector looks to make sure it is flashed, but didn't check to make sure it was properly flashed.

When I teach at the ICC classes I will show a half dozen photos of the resultant damage then provide a detail on how it should be done.

Not having a pan under the water heater is another issue. I simply showed them where it is written right on the side of the unit that says This unit will leak, Install a pan. Then I remind them the code says it has to be installed to manufactures installation instructions.

The plumbers don't send me Christmas cards, but the building inspectors and I have a lot of fun.

Congratulations on getting featured.

Aug 30, 2011 03:15 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Scott, thanks---I think there will come a time when quoting code will be more common place than it is today---where all home inspectors will be ICC certified etc.

 

Aug 30, 2011 03:38 PM
Steve Stenros
Poway,La Jolla,Del Mar,Mira Mesa,Carlsbad,Escondido,Temecula - San Diego, CA
CREIA MCI, ICC, ACI Home Inspector,San Diego

Thanks for the educational post regarding jurisdictional inspectors, Charles. They simply do not have enough hours in one day to do the job they are asked to.

Aug 31, 2011 02:48 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Steve, they really don't.  They visit dozens and dozens of properties in a day---catching what they catch

Aug 31, 2011 03:06 AM
Rene Fabre
ARFCO Media - Renton, WA
Practicing Philosophical Eclectic of the Arts

What a brilliant post! I didn't really know the distinction between the inspectors. Thanks for shedding light on what's important (like killing people!) and a look into home inspection from an insiders point of view. I do feel like I graduated!  :O)

Sep 01, 2011 12:30 PM
Stephen Stanczyk
Safe Haven Home Inspections - Puyallup, WA
Home Inspector - Puyallup WA

I seldom use the word "minimum" when describing codes.  Instead, I like to explain to my clients that a house that is  "built to code", is the worst house that can legally be built.

As a home inspector, codes only come into the discussion when the builder or homeowner brings them up.  I don't care if the item is "up to code".  It may be a building practice that will eventually cause my client grief.  It is my job to inform my client and let him decide what he wants to do.  I also don't care if codes are not retroactive.  If it an issue, the client needs to know.  The duty is to inform in the proper manner.

Sep 04, 2011 09:01 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Rene, thanks

Stephen, while I get the "sense of humor," there are some clients I would not use that phrase with :)

Sep 05, 2011 07:08 AM
Yvonne Wilder
Halter Associates Realty - Woodstock, NY

I feel compelled to comment here.

My husband designed and built our home, most aspects of it alone.  He came up with a really creative staircase solution that did not use much floor space and provided storage for wood for the woodstove under a barrel-stave type railing around a circular case supported by a birch tree (yeah, Woodstock is "creative").  The assistant building inspector asked for it to be rebuilt twice, which we did.  He also asked for a metal pole instead of a wooden one in a location, a few other changes we complied with.  The building inspector replaced the assistant for the last time, asked why we had a metal pole instead of a wooden one, and refused to pass the staircase again.  We found a company that would design and build the circular staircase to state codes, even help us install it.  The inspector refused to allow even that, said there would be NO CIRCULAR STAIRCASES IN HIS TOWN!  So we have a pantry under a staircase with 13 steps, 8 of them winders, and a landing.  And there are a number of circular staircases in this town.

I also have heard there have been instances in this area where damage has occurred from something outside of code that was "allowed" and the towns were sued because the inspectors passed the construction.

Sep 06, 2011 06:45 AM