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To Ma'am or not to Ma'am, shouldn't really be the question . . .

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To Ma'am or not to Ma'am, shouldn't really be the question . . .

Oh, I'm going to be very unpopular for this one!  But as my husband used to say, "God didn't me put on this Earth to be popular."

Respect imageMy Assistant, who happens to be my daughter, posted about her dilemma regarding my granddaughter's teacher preferring to not be called Ma'am.  Lo, and behold it was featured and the comments poured in.  Some agreed with her position; that the teacher just has to get over herselfBut many respectfully disagreed.  To those, I must respectfully disagree.

My children were raised to use Ma'am and Sir.  In fact, when they didn't use them I couldn't hear them. Funny how my ears would slam shut. 

"Huh?"

"I'm a Ma'am.  Not a huh."

My children were riduculed by classmates, and I'm sorry to say some family members.  Didn't change our rules.  Ma'am and Sir are a sign of respect.  To not use them is a sign of disrespect. 

I'm no spring chicken and I get that times have changed.  But that doesn't mean they've changed for the better.  Showing respect for those in authority should NEVER go out of style.  I don't care where you were raised -- South, North, East or West -- manners are universal.  Just because you feel old when someone calls you Ma'am doesn't mean you're right.  If you are in a position of authority; be it as a teacher, police officer, judge or simply an elder, you've earned the right to be addressed with respect.  And unless you do something to show you don't deserve thatPicture of apple and books respect, you should not only enjoy it, you should insist upon it. 

Every day we hear of children running roughshod over Educators and those in a position of authority, and we wonder how it happened.  I'll tell you how it happened.  It happened because we decided being friends with our children was more important than being parents.  We allowed the minority to tell us we were being too tough on our children by insisting upon respect.  If they don't have to show it at home, why should they have to show it at school?   Not only have we undermined teachers, now they're undermining us by not respecting our teachings. 

My daughter made a couple of very good points;

1.  How often do you hear men declining to be called Sir?  Certainly not as often as you hear a woman declining being called Ma'am.

2.  Shouldn't the rules of the house trump the rules of the school?  Where does a child spend more time?

Personally, I think we need to get back to the basics with most things.  The teacher may PREFER not to be called Ma'am, but that's a personal preference and one that I would expect the adult to get over.  Not the child.  Teachers should not only  appreciate students displaying respect for their authority, they should welcome it. 

I have no doubt that my daughter and my granddaughters teacher will reach an amicable solution for everyone.  But I have to admit, I'm saddened that this is even an issue.


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Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

Tish I expressed my feeling about this twice on Cinnamon's post so I don't feel the need to repeat, so I'll just respectfully agree to disagree and leave it at that.  There are some strong opinions on this subject and frankly I don't believe any of them are either right or wrong, but just a matter of preference as is addressing someone as Sir or Ma'am (or in the case of the teacher, preferring not to be addressed as such).

I think by an large, the use of the word respect in this case is misused.  Again it is more a matter of preference than respect.  Perhaps we should all revist the definition of respect.

Well "leaving it at that just went straight out the window didn't it?  Can we agree to disagree?

Sep 15, 2011 05:46 AM
Carolyn Shipp
Source 1 Real Estate - Mineral Wells, TX
Mineral Wells Texas Real Estate

I've never heard of someone not wanting to be called "sir" or "ma'am"...especially in the South.  I've never been insistent on my kids calling me "ma'am," but they always are extremely polite and respectful to their elders.  Whenever we have teacher conferences or other parents meet with me for activities, I always get compliments on my children's behavior and manners. 

I'm sure you granddaugher's teacher will understand and (I hope) let your granddaughter return to her manners...

Sep 15, 2011 05:51 AM
Tish Lloyd
BlueCoast Realty Corporation - Wilmington, NC
Broker - Wilmington NC and Surrounding Beaches

Charita ~ I can agree to disagree on this point if you'll agree that I'm right and you're wrong.  I'M KIDDING!  There are always two sides to a coin and acknowledging them both is healthy.  Everyone has a preference and even if we disagree, we should respect them.  I firmly believe that a child using Ma'am is appropriate and I hope that any adult who hears it from any one of my grandchildren will take it in the manner in which it was intended. 

Carolyn ~ Showing respect is done in a myriad of ways.  In our family one of those ways is to use Ma'am or Sir.  Obviously there are many who don't agree, but it works for us.  Kudos on the good reports about your children's bahavior and manners!

Sep 15, 2011 05:51 AM
Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

You know I had to laugh out loud on that one Tish. To each his own. BTW, I haven't gotten used to you being back on AR regularly so I'll have to start checking more often.  You know how that goes.

Sep 15, 2011 06:14 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Tish, You captured one of my concerns that I perceive as one of the biggest issues, parents seeing their role as friend more than parent.  There are many hard choices that have to be made for the betterment of the young, and it would seem concerns with being nice and friendly may compromise that choice.  I respect my parents first, they're my friends second.  Bill

Sep 15, 2011 06:14 AM
Cinnamon Wright
Wilmington Real Estate 4U 910.547.1446 - Wrightsville Beach, NC
Assistant to Tish Lloyd

I should have known you would weigh in on this one!  I'm grateful you and Dad taught me to show respect by using Ma'am and Sir, it's never served me wrong.  I get Charita's point of view, even if I disagree with it, and would never insist Zoe refer to someone in a way they found offensive.  I'm just surprised there are so many who find it offensive!

Sep 15, 2011 06:15 AM
Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

Glad it all worked out.  Gee I wish we could agree on everything.  Spread the word about BLiz's new class:  Sandbox 101.

Sep 15, 2011 06:25 AM
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

Our society has gone away from any kind of respect for anyone.  The PC police has been a big part of that in my opinion many of the times.

The biggest loss from all this is the loss of self respect!

Sep 15, 2011 06:31 AM
Tish Lloyd
BlueCoast Realty Corporation - Wilmington, NC
Broker - Wilmington NC and Surrounding Beaches

Charita ~ It's been a rough few months, but I'm getting back into the swing of things.

Bill ~ CA may call me Tish at work, but I'm still Mom (and Ma'am) outside of the workplace.  I love that I am able to be friendly with my kids, but I was first and foremost their parent. 

CA ~ I'm proud of the way you handled this.  May this be your biggest hurdle during Zoe's school years!

Charita ~ It might be nice to always agree.  But it sure would be boring!  Sandbox 101, got it!

William ~ The PC police and I don't get along very well!

Sep 15, 2011 06:38 AM
Anita Clark
Coldwell Banker Access Realty ~ 478.960.8055 - Warner Robins, GA
Realtor - Homes for Sale in Warner Robins GA

I am with you Tish.  My kids were taught to show respect by saying sir and ma'am...it's just the proper thing to do (IMO).

Sep 15, 2011 10:12 AM
Lora "Leah" Stern 914-772-4528
Coldwell Banker, 170 N Main Street, New City NY 10956 - New City, NY
Real Estate Salesperson

Tish, I so agree with you that we need to first be parents and role models to our kids and then friends.  Children learn what they live.  I taught my kids to show respect and they all do, but I think it's more a matter of teaching proper manners and behavior and not whether you use the terms Ma'am or Sir.  In my home it's not how they refer to others, but more about how they treat others and the elders in our life just naturally get respect from all of us.

Sep 15, 2011 10:39 AM
Lee & Pamela St. Peter
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices YSU Realty: (919) 645-2522 - Raleigh, NC
Making Connections to Success in Real Estate

Tish, you should be very proud of your two girls - they know the meaning of respect and guaranteed respect they will find from others.  I 'm still shaking my head over over this one.  As I see it respect should NEVER go out of style...
Pamela

Sep 15, 2011 11:27 AM
Melanie Dawn Molina Wood
Coldwell Banker Residential Real Estate - Miami, FL

I don't have a problem with teaching children to use "sir" and "ma'am" as a sign of respect. I raised my own daughter that way. But how is it respectful to basically tell another human being: "I don't care what you prefer to be called. I am going to call you whatever I want."

 

Sep 15, 2011 11:36 AM
Tish Lloyd
BlueCoast Realty Corporation - Wilmington, NC
Broker - Wilmington NC and Surrounding Beaches

Anita ~ I'm beginning to think we're in the minority!

Leah ~ You are exactly right, respect that is shown is more meaningful than any words we may use to demonstrate it.  But it sure is nice when the words add to the actions!

Pamela ~ We are still in the South aren't we?  This one had me shaking my head for days.

Melanie ~ Very good point.  No where did I say one should continue to call someone by anything they don't like.  But I feel it is wrong for a teacher to tell a child -- whose parent has taught them to use Ma'am or Sir -- that they don't need to use it.  It's not like Zoe said, "Yes, Doody Head."  I get correcting that!  But when an 8 year old says Ma'am, even if you don't care for it, there is a better way to handle it. 

Sep 15, 2011 11:56 AM
Karen Baker
Sunset Beach and Beyond Realty - Sunset Beach, NC
Professional Help with Rapid Responses...
Tish ~ we as parents teach our children respect and courtesy. The problem is not with what we have done right, it's with what society has done wrong. I pledge allegiance to the flag, has left many classrooms and so has the respect for one another. Sad to say, Zoe's teacher may be from the new school lacking the history behind respect.
Sep 15, 2011 02:23 PM
Shar Sitter
Rooms With Style - Minneapolis, MN
Home Staging and Redesign Minneapolis/ St. Paul, M

Amen, Amen, Amen. Oh I forgot to say Amen....period. No discussion (that means I totally agree, LOL).

Sep 15, 2011 02:55 PM
Mary Macy
Top Agents Atlanta Metro - Roswell, GA
Top Agents Atlanta Metro

Tish, Great post, I suggested, we all need to treat each other with more respect and kindness.  It all starts in the home and it does not cost anything to be respectful, it costs a lot to not be respectful in loss of love, friendship, mutual respect and the inability to be humble which is one of the great character traits.

Sep 15, 2011 06:28 PM
Steve and Jan Bachman
RE/MAX Gateway, Reston, Herndon, Ashburn, Sterling, Fairfax - Herndon, VA
Realtors - Northern Virginia

Yes Ma'am!

Sep 16, 2011 07:31 AM
Ilona Matteson
Beach Realty & Construction on the Outer Banks of NC - Duck, NC
Ilona Matteson

Wow Tish!  I'm with you in I can't believe this is really even an issue.  A teacher should never un-do proper lessons taught by a parent.  This is a perfect example of our society unwinding.  We all need to understand the most important thing about freedom - RESPONSIBILITY.  Just because we have the right to do something, doesn't always mean we should.  We have to be responsible with our freedom to our fellow neighbor.  Yes, this teacher has the right to be called what she wants, however, that doesn't mean she should exercise that right to the detriment of another human being.  Our society has become so "self" driven.  We forget we share this world with others, and it's not revolving around any one of us.  I feel a post coming on!

Sep 19, 2011 02:57 AM