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A ranch is a ranch is a ranch...

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Real Estate Agent with The Bard Group - Keller Williams Check Realty

In central Arizona it is common for buyers to have a dream of buying and owning a “ranch” yet this may look like a small horse property, an equestrian estate or a farm, rather than “The Ponderosa.” In my previous career as a banker I helped a customer purchase a boat, a rather large boat!  As we talked through his plans to ship “the boat” from the manufacturer to its ocean home the question came up if he might actually be buying a “yacht.” Let’s be real, if you were buying a large floating object wouldn’t it be much cooler to own a yacht than a boat? Candidly, I liked the sound of making a loan on a yacht so I set out to learn the difference between the two!

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As a ranch kid from the mountains of Arizona with no knowledge of boats I had to get creative to learn how to determine if the boat was a yacht, or just a boat. I had seen ads in The Wall Street Journal for yacht sales in Newport Beach, CA so I called for a quick lesson on the difference between yachts and boats. I was very surprised to learn that there is no cut-and-dried definition of a yacht and the determination lies in the eyes of the beholder, or boat owner as the case may be.

I have replayed this story many times in my real estate career as I work with buyers and sellers of “ranch” property.  You see, my definition of a ranch is skewed based on my life experience. I grew up on a 115,000 acre cattle ranch that ran 1,100 head and in my early 20’s I managed a ranch that was almost 60 miles from end-to-end. You know it’s a “big outfit” when it takes about 10 minutes to fly across….in a Lear jet, but that’s another story.

As a Realtor in rural markets (see central AZ properties) we have a unique opportunity to associate with buyers and sellers from all walks of life. The challenge can be interpreting what the customer really wants, regardless of the words and phrases they use to describe their dream property.  A garden to one person may be a farm to another, and a ranch to me may be way too far from Starbucks and Dillard’s for the “ranch buyer” who wants a nice house with horse privileges close to town. The key is truly learning what people want without drawing conclusions based on our definitions and life experience.  

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Susan Neal
RE/MAX Gold, Fair Oaks - Fair Oaks, CA
Fair Oaks CA & Sacramento Area Real Estate Broker

Hi Travis - I agree that one man's ranch is another man's yard.  Not everyone has your frame of reference, and I think if they want to call their property a ranch, that's okay, as long as they are clear about its size and how the property can legally be used. (By the way, my daughter and son-in-law operate a cattle ranch in Oregon that is a few hundred acres).

Oct 11, 2011 11:10 AM
Michael L. Brownstead
Brownstead Real Estate, LLC - Frisco, TX
ABR, GRI, MRP, SRS, 1SG US Army (Ret.)

Travis, Prescott is indeed a very beautiful area, as a matter of fact, all of Arizona is very beautiful; I grew up in Globe-Miami and am now living in Texas. Thanks for the posting.

Oct 11, 2011 11:36 AM
Jenifer Lower
Bozeman Montana Real Estate .net - Bozeman, MT
Your Dream. Our Passion.

Thank you!  In Montana, when someone says "ranch" it refers to an operating cattle ranch and a sizeable piece of property.  I find that buyers from out of state want a "ranch" that is no less than 2 acres and no more than 10.  By our definition, that is a home with a few acres, not a Ranch :).  Thanks for sharing.

Oct 11, 2011 11:56 AM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Welcome to ActiveRain.

Ranch in my market means a floor plan.  When we get rural farms are the thing that vary depending on size and use.   I like your ship, boat and yacht analogy.  

Oct 12, 2011 05:49 AM
Anonymous
Maureen

My regret is that I never got to go for a spin in the yacht! At least when I sell a ranch, regardless of size, I get to walk on it and kick the dirt.

Oct 12, 2011 06:14 AM
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Vic Steele
Vic Steele, Broker CA DRE 01349863 - Anaheim Hills, CA
Broker/Consultant

This is a great use of the ranch analogy and the yacht analogy to make a good point.  In my market, the word is 'townhouse'.  That's because in CA everything is pretty much a condo or an SFR.  When someone asks about a townhouse, you have to ask thought-provoking questions!

Oct 12, 2011 06:39 AM
Loren Green
Greens Home Design L.L.C. - Buckeye, AZ
Phoenix Home Inspector & Designer

Having a famous name I get accused of being from the Ponderosa often.  I grew up in the Gila Valley and delivered hay to many ranches.  Maybe some day I will buy one.

Oct 12, 2011 11:43 AM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

Travis:

If a customer asked me to find a ranch for them, I would start look for 100,000 acre ranches.  I would never have thought of an equestrian ranch.  One needs to thoroughly discuss with the customer what they really want, 100000 acres ro smaller.

Oct 12, 2011 03:03 PM
Anonymous
Travis Bard

It's fun to see the different perspectives with the common thread being the need to "seek to understand." Michael and Loren you have roots pretty close to one another - it is a small world!

Oct 12, 2011 03:47 PM
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Cheryl Ritchie
RE/MAX Leading Edge www.GoldenResults.com - Huntingtown, MD
Southern Maryland 301-980-7566
This is a great point. Large yard here is one thing one person and another thing to the next.
Oct 12, 2011 06:50 PM
Tim Lorenz
TIM LORENZ - Elite Home Sales Team - Mission Viejo, CA
949 874-2247

Oh so true in life not just a ranch.  Without definition you could be thinking of something entirly different than may have been described.

Oct 12, 2011 07:07 PM
Fernando Herboso - Associate Broker MD, & VA
Maxus Realty Group of Samson Properties - Clarksburg, MD
301-246-0001 Serving Maryland, DC and Northern VA

Good looking picture and pretty country where you live. . . .

Having owned a 18' ski boat before. .I know exactly what a yacht is.. .

Oct 13, 2011 12:49 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

Ranch is one of those terms /names that changes as you move across the country. West of the Mississippi i see a ranch as a working farm, lots of cattle etc. Here in the northeast a ranch is a single story home. Ofetn on a city lot and sorry, no cattle. I have also heard it called a rambler or a flat by potential buyers.

Oct 13, 2011 02:15 AM
Sandy Acevedo
951-290-8588 - Chino Hills, CA
RE/MAX Masters, Inland Empire Homes for Sale

Hi Travis, that is a great photo. Is that a red barn peaking through? Selling ranches is a whole other category, in which you must be proficient in a lot of things I've never heard of. Great post.

Oct 13, 2011 04:10 AM
Wendy Cutrufelli
Alain Pinel Realtors - Walnut Creek, CA
Contra Costa Realtor

Such a great point - and especially important with a buyer coming from out of town.  When an out-of-town buyer coming to northern California says they want a "small yard", it's important to ask what a small yard is to them because, it is often larger than our average lot size!

Oct 14, 2011 04:28 AM
Travis Bard
The Bard Group - Keller Williams Check Realty - Prescott, AZ

Sandy, that is a red barn peaking through in the picture. It is nestled in the trees at the headquarters of a historic ranch in the shadows of Granite Mountain, northwest of Prescott, AZ

Oct 19, 2011 06:12 PM