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When your settlement agent is a UPS Envelope...

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Real Estate Agent with Compass

I just attended the strangest "settlement" of my real estate career for a listing of mine.   Here are the details:  

The lender insisted on their affiliated title company doing the closing in order for the buyer to get the best deal.  He did choose it, so there was no RESPA violation, but it sounds like he was somewhat coerced in order to get a credit. 

The buyer's agent wrote two title companies with a / in between in the contract.  One was physically in our area, the other in a completely different state, very far away.  My assumption was that the local company was an affiliate of the out of state one...I was wrong.  Never assume!

In VA the buyer has the right to choose where we settle.

In the weeks preceding the closing there was mass confusion between these two companies as to who was doing what part of the transaction.  Neither one actually knew what they were doing until it was finally concluded the local company was only preparing the deed for the seller, the out of state company did the rest.

  • We were asked for payoff info from both companies.  Had to ping pong back and forth as to who was doing what on that and every other detail.
  • My seller was newly married, but owned the condo for years before she got married, husband was not on the title, deed or mortgage.
    • We were told by the out of state company that the husband had to sign even though he did not own the house (Absolutely NOT the law here, and husband was out of town on business).  Took multiple emails and phone calls by me to get that  mess straightened out.
  • Of course we did not settle on time even though there was a 45 day escrow.
  • When we got to closing there was no one there to run the show.  The processor for the local law firm did her best, but she was not a settlement agent.  The lawyer did eventually show up, but he was not the settlement agent.
  • The out of state title company sent a mobile notary who was only a notary.  She was a nice lady, but not allowed to discuss any of the papers she had, not allowed to even touch the checks.
  • They also sent a 1099 for the TAX PRORATION that the seller got back from the buyer for the amount she'd prepaid.  That would not be income people.  That goodness the lawyer on site told us to just pitch it.  I would not have allowed her to sign it and the notary, well, she wasn't allowed to talk.
  • They also brought a final water bill payoff sheet for everyone to sign, even though they were told weeks ago that it's a condo and there is no water bill.
  • The seller brought money to the table, so her cashier's check, along with the buyer's down payment and the HUD-1, and the deed, were put in a UPS Envelope that the buyer's agent was to take to UPS that night.
  • The attorney for the law firm did explain a few of the documents to the seller, but the buyer was kind of on his own except for his real estate agent. 

My seller and I left feeling as though we'd conducted a settlement in the rabbit hole and we were Alice.   I am not completely sure if we closed, as the UPS Envelope, our settelment agent, was not talking.

I won't say who the lender is, but they are national, online, and more known for their business software than banking.

I think it's fair to say that no credit that they gave the buyer was worth the mass confusion that was masquerading as a closing.

Please use local lenders! Please.  Not everything can be done online.  And settling with an out of state title company is just a recipe for disaster.

Dom Naidoo
Westside Properties - Venice, CA
Malibu to the Marina Real Estate

Great post Coral! Thanks for sharing. It's so important to keep a steady line of communication between all participants of the transaction. Good job for keeping your seller calm and closing the sale! 

Happy Veterans Day :)

Nov 11, 2011 01:13 AM
Lydie Ouellet Dickinson
Realty Executives Tri County, Bellingham MA - Bellingham, MA
Realtor

Coral, this has to be one of the strangest closing stories I have heard! Good for you to keep your calm during this "eventful" moment!

 

Nov 11, 2011 01:15 AM
Wendy Cutrufelli
Alain Pinel Realtors - Walnut Creek, CA
Contra Costa Realtor

And just think how overwhelming the closing with the UPS Envelope could have been if you hadn't been the consumate professional and attended the signing.  I am amazed, no, actually shocked, at how many Realtors don't attend their closings and the poor client is left dangling in confusion.

Nov 11, 2011 01:54 AM
Jenifer Lower
Bozeman Montana Real Estate .net - Bozeman, MT
Your Dream. Our Passion.

For foreclosures here it is usually an out of town title company, and then we are closed in town on a courtesy, but it is difficult every time it happens.

Nov 11, 2011 02:00 AM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

This sounds eerily similar to the ING Direct Short Sale in which ING made the parties use their out state title company. 

Nov 11, 2011 08:35 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Coral - Sounds like an absolutely horrible Freddie Mac REO transaction that my borrowers and I were put through recently.  It was a nightmare working with the mega REO LA (who went MIA as soon as escrow was opened) and the REO escrow mill was atrocious. 

It was actually an AR success story for me but every time I go to try and blog about it, I can't bring myself to actually blog about how awful it was.  The crap that they put the borrowers and I and the buyers agent through was just despicable.

Nov 11, 2011 03:06 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Gee, you sure had a fun day!  Don't you love it when out of state companies throw THEIR laws at you?

Long day for me too.  I bed now...

Nov 12, 2011 12:30 PM
Coral Gundlach
Compass - Arlington, VA
Real Lives. Not Just Real Estate.

Dom - yes communication is key, especially in this kind of deal.

Lydie -  Thanks.  It was indeed odd.  I think in the future, I will insist on a "split" settlement.

Wendy - This is one I actually rescheduled my vacation plans around, then it was delayed!  But yes, I had to attend and did not even want to send in a colleague.   It was a hand holding situation for my seller.

Jenifer- Yes, out of town, I can handle.  But out of state?  They really did not know how to close a sale in VA.

Chris Ann - Another "virtual" bank, right?  I am all for technology, but I swear, you really can't phone everything in. A settlement needs a settlement agent...in person.   Or at least on speaker phone.  This had nothing.

Donne - So sad, isn't it?  I felt like I needed to go to a detox clinic after this settlement.

Jay - Yes, not the greatest of days.  But it did close, even though it seemed kinda like it didn't really!

Nov 14, 2011 12:27 PM
Renée Donohue~Home Photography
Savvy Home Pix - Allegan, MI
Western Michigan Real Estate Photographer

I love local lenders also!  Sounds weird and I hope you have handed the keys over already without very much more drama!

Nov 18, 2011 12:14 AM