Local is as local does – are agents overdoing it with the “local expert” mantra?

By
Real Estate Agent with Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605

 

Map of Westchester NYThis is a tough topic for  me to address objectively.  However, I have seen many blogs recently from agents touting their expertise as “local experts”.  Meanwhile, I’m also seeing quite  a number of other agents bragging about the number of listings that they have.  Most of these agents can not possibly accumulate the raw numbers by being local. Many of these agents have listings that are scattered far and wide – sometimes in more than one state or at least in several counties.

 

Real estate agents that expand their territories generally  have more transactions under their belts:

When you think about it,  each model has  its own set of benefits and red flags for the consumer.  In this slow market an agent that covers a lot of ground has more closings under their belt and is used to dealing with everything that that could possibly be thrown at them.  These days,  transactions are fraught with peril from the negotiating the price and terms, to dealing with lenders and the bank in the event of a short sale.  Agents that have stayed very local and are doing fewer deals have less experience with this market.  Bottom line, unless a very, very local agent is in the top 1-2%  in terms of sales volume – they are NOT closing a significant number of transactions these days.   Truth be told, even top producers in this market are having a very tough time making ends meet.  If an agent in this situation is NOT trying to expand their territory, then I would be concerned that they aren’t truly professional and are actually “doing” real estate as a sideline.

Agents who focus locally generally have more local knowledge and better insight into specific neighborhoods:

The statement above  is the flip side of the coin.  This  may seem obvious to some,  but in a world of Zillow and Trulia  the public doesn’t always see it that way.  This is particularly true of young people.  Be warned if you think “just anyone will do” even if they live 50 miles away.   The public needs to rethink how much Trulia, Zillow and all of the other so called national “real estate portals” can possibly know about a particular area.   The fact is that both of these portals are so far off the mark with respect to their “zestimates” or “guesstimates” that it is truly pathetic.  Further, many of the so-called local experts featured on this site know nothing about the area in question.  Most are paying big bucks to these portals to try to put themselves out there as an area specialist.  But the ability to flex the plastic does not a local expert make.  It does take “boots on the ground” to determine value.  Real estate IS a local business.   Its  a question of HOW local.

Further, not knowing the details of an area intimately  can be a big problem.  What about that nice golf course that abuts the property?  If the agent doesn’t know that the property was recently sold to a developer who is trying to build a huge school on what was bucolic open space – it can mean their buyer will overpay and not get what they thought they were getting.  Instead of peace and quiet – they could find themselves with a playground or ball field literally in their back yard.   (This is actually happening in one neighborhood that I cover.)  Will an agent covering several counties have enough knowledge of a very local neighborhood to KNOW that type of detailed information?  Probably not.  Those who are expanding beyond their ability to drink in the local issues including zoning disputes  may find themselves without sufficient knowledge to properly represent the interests of their clients.

Personally – I’m suspicious of both extremes – and have plotted a course straight down the middle:

An agent that is spread too thin can have difficulty managing their inventory (if they are listing agents) and may not have enough specific knowledge of an area to guide their buyers.  This can have serious consequences if they are unaware of plans to build a major highway through an area, or of a builders plans to build track housing in what is currently an exclusive and quite area.  If an agent is marketing large quantities of listings over a wide geography – how much can they “put into”  a given listing?  Having the ability to focus advertising to a relatively narrow geographic range has benefits – particularly online.   Some are throwing stuff up against a wall and whatever sticks, sticks.  That’s fine for the agent, but what about the client?

On the other hand, agents who chronically harp on being “local experts” have often used and abused that statement and beaten it to a pulp because they really don’t have that much else to offer.  Some are trying to keep competition OUT so they can have the lions share of what may be one of the more lucrative pockets in the immediate area.  Since sales are on the rocks in some locations and doing well  in others – the pockets with decent volume will find themselves under increasing pressure from area agents a town or two away who will want and need to partake in part of the action of an active area.   The bottom line for the consumer is whether or not that “local agent” is truly offering “more”.  If they keep harping on the “local expert” mantra over and over again – there may not be that much “out-of-the-box” thinking going on.   To my mind – the competition is a good thing as sellers and buyers alike should have more options than one or two main brokerages that offer the same-old, same-old because they haven’t been pushed to do more.

For me – it was a matter of survival.  My area has had very little movement and even the tippy top of the top producers are breaking into new territory.  I’ve done so in a deliberate and viable way that offers sellers an alternative with some out of the box ideas  and buyers one-stop shopping if they are examining more than one municipality.  I certainly don’t cover 10 counties, but I do cover several towns, villages and cities.

 

© 2011 – Ruthmarie G. Hicks – http://thewestchesterview.com – All rights reserved.

 

Local is as local does – are agents overdoing it with the “local expert” mantra?

Comments (61)

Brian Madigan
RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage (Toronto) - Toronto, ON
LL.B., Broker

Ruthmarie,

My "area" is Ontario which of course is larger than most States. I try to stick to Toronto, but I am often consulted by agents in other areas.

Getting up to speed in a local area, often takes about one hour of time. It hardly seems to be the sort of information and expertise that takes years to develop. And most cities and towns are relatively easy to figure out, because the pattern repeats itself everywhere.

Brian

Nov 13, 2011 03:48 AM
Lehel Szucs
All Seasons Real Estate, Inc. - Covina, CA
REALTOR of choice

expert .... I find that this word is thrown out in our industry waaaaaaaaaay too much ... I have met experts who have just received their license and taken a certification class and have yet to have a transaction ....

I find that local area is not enough ... my clients are referrals and I need to be somewhat familiar with the greater LA area to help them ... they come to me for me real estate knowledge and they often have the local area knowledge ... the analytics I provide them compliments their knowledge and helps them make a wise decision

 

Nov 13, 2011 03:59 AM
Ann Wilkins
Golden Gate Sotheby's International Realty - Oakland, CA
Oakland, Berkeley, Piedmont CA

I work in a couple of cities but everyting is within a 20 minute radius of my office.  However, there is something to be said for knowing your neighborhood.  When I hold an open house in my own neighborhood, I do have an immense amount of knowledge regarding the school, the commute time, the Bus stops, the time it takes to drive to BART, how long it takes to walk for coffee and doughnuts etc. 

Nov 13, 2011 04:13 AM
Janis Borgueta
Key Properties of the Hudson Valley - Newburgh, NY
LIC RE Salesperson

One does need to be relatively local. It does matter how big the area is, and just how densely populated it is. You do need to know what is happening in an area to truly service the customers/clients. Otherwise they are hiring a gate keeper and a  taxi service.

Nov 13, 2011 04:20 AM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Ruthmarie, being the local so called expert has a lot of value. However, if the local population doesn't support the business there is nothing else you can do but expand your area of expertise. In my business more out of town brokers have the local listings. I guess the only thing we can do is go and list in their local area.

Nov 13, 2011 04:38 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I have found it just does not pay to work too far from home.  I like being a local agent.  Thanks for the post.

Nov 13, 2011 04:40 AM
Jim Miner
Miner Noh & Associates - Phoenix, AZ
Loan Modfication & Short Sale Specialist

Good Stuff.  However, I do believe there are situations which do allow a realtor to represent homes in different areas and they can do a good job.

Nov 13, 2011 05:14 AM
Kimo Jarrett
WikiWiki Realty - Huntington Beach, CA
Pro Lifestyle Solutions

I totally agree with Fernando, #22, about being FEARLESS in describing oneself as an expert, regardless of the industry. To identify yourself as being an expert you must have the knowledge and experience to proclaim your expertise, after all that's only determined by your performance, isn't it?

Nov 13, 2011 06:29 AM
Ruthmarie Hicks
Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605 - White Plains, NY

Hi Scott - I couldn't agree more.  Also...local means different things in different areas.  I try to stay within a market range.  But I see a lot of agents who ONLY want to work one village and bitterly resent other agents migrating to their areas.  This is what happened to my city of White Plains.  It caught fire during the boom and withing 18 months of getting my license - I notice that the "local agent" effect was gone and everyone and their pet canary had a listing in the area - pushing out the old guard that had had tight control of certain neighborhoods for ages.  All those agents are still there and NO ONE can really dominate anything in that city - at least not without a massive effort and tons of $$$.  Not even worth the money.  So I moved north and south and do a good deal of work elsewhere.  The local agents that still have tight control don't like it a bit.  Too bad.

Hi Jean-Paul - It's great work if you can get it.  You can't get away with that in my city.  Every agent in that area has had to branch out.

No Frenando - there simply isn't enough WORK in my home town for any agent to survive.  I'm now an "Expert" in several towns and cities, but find that the agents that live there deeply resent my presence because THEY think that THEY are the local experts because they live there ....Ahhhh.....nooooo...And NO ONE in my area gets a listing like that - it doesn't matter how hard they work or what kind of site they have.   Its VERY, VERY, VERY competitive.

 

Hi Mitchell - Manhattan is local - but in many ways its HUGE!  The sheer concentration of the population makes it very unique!

 

Hi Gary - that does help.  You don't have to be that local to be aware.  But you also can't live 100 miles away...which is pretty much where I stood on this issue. Its a happy medium.

 

Hi Teresa - I don't cover more than about 2/3 of my county.  Its a big county and a real tangle of villages, towns, and cities.   However, when agents five miles away get their panties in a bunch over an agent from the next town over - its getting ridiculous.

 

Hi Stephen - thats a good analysis.  Teams are contracting around here, I've seen large teams go down to one solo agent.  But the agents still list "wherever."  Solo agents need to get business where they can, but I wont' take lisitings I can't service properly.

 

Hi Mike - and this is really an issue for listing.  How can you price what you dont' understand?  BPO's should only be done by people who know the area well.  Too much is at stake!

 

Hi Joni - Its nice work - if you can get it!  our local area is way to competitive for that to work. Agents are forced into new territory. Plain and simple.  You want to survive - you have move outside your comfort zone.

Hi Michael - Sadly, its not really that much of an option around here.  the volume of business is way too low and the number of agents way too high.  Newer agents are having a miserable time cracking through all of that.

Nov 13, 2011 08:03 AM
Ruthmarie Hicks
Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605 - White Plains, NY

Hi Frank, that's a great model.  There is room for many ways of doing business as long as the agent with boots on the ground is knowledgable.

hi Melissa, I didn't know he was advising that.  My guess is that it is a new direction as a result of the chaging market.  I was specializing in entry level first- time buyers.  The end of the tax credit and the severity of the recession for the middle class DECIMATED my business.  The answer was obvious - my niche was decimated - so I too took a serious fall. The point is that a single niche can be dangerous - you have to have several diverse niches.  This actually segways back to my post.  What is happening is that some niche markets are doing well.  Those agents who are IN those markets are guarding their turf and using the "local expert" nonsense to try and keep competition out.  Those who had their niches destroyed are making a beeline for those markets.  Hence the conflict.

Hi Monica - Like I said to Jean-Paul.  It's nice work IF you can get it. Our market is simply too competitive for that.

Hi Karen - I don't LIST in areas I don't know.  If I have a buyer I research the area and undergo a steep learning curve.  there is a limit to how far out I will go. If the market is totally different from my home market - I don't go there.

Hi Jennifer - I have a friend in Manhattan who wants me to help them find a condo.  I told the truth.  I'm a Westchester agent - I don't know their market.   That is a TOTALLY different market from any other in the world.

Hi Stephen...That depends. NEgotiations are tough right now and so are issues with lending.  Having an agent who has done a large number of transactions in THIS PARTICUALR market is of more value than you give it credit.  As for "local experts"  Some agents think that has to be a three block area.  It's being taken to extremes as part of a turf war. Agents in areas where the market is "dead" need to expand their range.  The resistence is pure self-interest.

Hi Mike, In a competitive market relying too much on a single niche or even one or two niche markets can be a BIG mistake.  You can use it , but don't DEPEND on it.

Hi Charlie - It has been very, very overused - and that makes it lose its meaning.

Hi Karen - I was trying to get at that - but some have their fingers in their ears saying "La, la, la!!! I dont HEAR YOU!"

Hi Tni - This is what is happening around here.  You aren't local because you live a whole 4 miles away! 

 

 

Nov 13, 2011 10:13 AM
Ruthmarie Hicks
Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605 - White Plains, NY

Hi Brian  - Ontario is very large.  In the US it is variable.  We have a lot of  towns and villages, PO's,  zip codes  that are a tangle with respect to school systems and actual municipality.  Its pretty complicated.  But agents CAN conquer it.  That' doesn't mean you need an agent for every 2 square miles of your search area.

Hi Lehel - It's true - you need to be in more than one area to service most of today's buyers..and yes "expert" is overused.

Hi Ann - It helps but its not the be-all and end-all.

Hi Janis - To an extent.  I stay within about a 15 mile radius.   I prefer to stay within 10 miles. That's big enough.  But some people think you are an outsider if you are  more than a mile away.

Hi Michael- That's what happened in my home town.  During the boom the city of White Plains was literally on fire.  Agents flooded in from everywhere suppressing commissions and opportunities.  Most area agents who had a lock on neighborhoods, lost that foothold and now all of us have expanded into the areas of those who went after ours - along with other niche villages.  The areas that have been left undisturbed until now don't like this one little bit, but they are just going to have to get used to it.

Hi Gene - as I said before - its nice work IF you can get it.  Some areas are simply too competitive for that now.

Hi Jim - I'm not denying that. I have plotted a course down the middle.  i cover several towns and cities but try not to stray more than 15 miles in any direction.  But....that was 10 miles a year ago.  To get business I have been forced to go further than I would like to.

hi Kimo - Fearless is as fearless does - it doesn't make it true.  The word is way overused.

Nov 13, 2011 10:29 AM
Ellie McIntire
Ellicott City Clarksville Howard County Maryland Real Estate - Ellicott City, MD
Luxury service in Central Maryland

I have always been demographic as well as geographic. It seems to work well for me.

Nov 13, 2011 10:36 AM
Ruthmarie Hicks
Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605 - White Plains, NY

Hi Ellie - Sounds like a great combination.  Working different demographics is very helpful.

Nov 13, 2011 10:47 AM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

Ruthmarie:

I call myself a local expert.  Because I live and work in my community I know it quite well. 

Nov 13, 2011 11:19 AM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

Hi Ruthmarie, I am one who refer to as expanding.  But since most of my listings are in 55+ communities, once I know the subtle differences they are still "local" to me.

Nov 13, 2011 10:13 PM
Ruthmarie Hicks
Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605 - White Plains, NY

Hi Evelyn - I too am "local" but I don't consider a town that is a 10 minute drive and five miles away to be anything other than "local".  There but agents try to make that case.

Hi Bob - Expanding is fine - we have to during these difficult times.  We don't have many 55+ communities around here.

Nov 14, 2011 04:39 AM
Karen Crowson
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Rancho Bernardo, CA
Your Agent for Change

The most important to thing to consider, is are you serving your client? If you are an REO agent working all over the map - you may be doing a killer job in the bank's eyes. Local agents and consumers may view it differently.  I see people work far outside their geographical area. If you're willing to manage a listing as if you lived there, then great. But if you can't do the job right, refer it out.

Nov 15, 2011 12:43 PM
J. Philip Faranda
J. Philip Faranda (J. Philip R.E. LLC) Westchester County NY - Briarcliff Manor, NY
Broker-Owner

Ruthmarie, for all I know I may be the guy you are referring to who works multiple counties and crosses state lines. I have land in Greene County, REOs in Staten Island, short sales in Brooklyn and Ulster, and 40+ listings in Westchester -Putnam -Dutchess that span the spectrum of distress to moving up in quality of life.

We've expanded with the staff. I am closing in on 30 agents dotted all over the metro area who assist me and fill in the gaps. Frankly, for me it isn't so much about local knowledge as it is about simply coverage. I do think you owe it to yourself to get educated about areas you work or you could have a problem. 

I have mixed feelings about locale expertise. You need to know if a golf course is going to become a school. On the other side, I have seen agents who ballyhoo themselves as omniscient on all things locale who were frankly crappy agents. 

Nov 15, 2011 11:35 PM
Ruthmarie Hicks
Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605 - White Plains, NY

Hi Phil, that's why I tend to take a stand down the middle.  If you are doing  alot of short sales and REO's  working a broad area is part of the picture.  I don't think anyone can change that.   Every agent I know that does that kind of work - and you are known for that - is spread far and wide.  I think its by necessity and what I said at the outset about having a larger NUMBER of transactions in a difficult market is valid.  In cases like that, it is even more critical than being a "local" expert.  In other words - multiple experiences on closings outweighs the location issue.  (Hope I'm making sense!)  On the flip side of your type of model I see hyper-local agents playing games with listings.  I'm about to lose a listing because I am located in White Plains and someone in Larchmont convinced the seller that I wasn't local enough.  Door to door from my office- I am 5.5 miles from the property.  I know the village well. My father lived there for 27 years for God's sake. 

For "vanilla listings"  the balance may shift a bit more to local expert - but just how local that needs to be is open to discussion.  I take a line down the middle.  I go further than most of those who claim to be local experts but have created certain boundaries where my knowledge gets sketchy.  That knowledge expands over time of course.  So it means different things to different people.  I you can reliably track what is going on in the immediate areas of your listings and service them - then it is a non-issue.  But I do see a lot of people taking things they know nothing about because they need the money.  That's fine for them, but what about the seller?  In this economy, that can be an expensive mistake.

Nov 16, 2011 04:31 AM
David Popoff
DMK Real Estate - Darien, CT
Realtor®,SRS, Green ~ Fairfield County, Ct

Ruthmarie, so very true, pick your real estate agent on knowledge, availability and personality.... will you get along with this person. Great post, thanks

Nov 18, 2011 01:14 AM

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