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I noted this week, with some amusement, that Realty Times featured an article by Tanya Marchiol, who is said to be a real estate investing guru, which espoused the same Principal Reduction solution that I've been writing about for some time. Perhaps the idea will gain traction, now that a guru is behind it, too.

Tanya does a good job of explaining why investors should be jumping on the Principal Reduction bandwagon and why the banks and other mortgage servicers are holding them back. It's all about the money involved - the fees that the servicers are charging, which is much more if they can ride a property into foreclosure than they would be if the loan were redone to include a principal reduction or even in a short sale. She also re-stated a point that I made in my earlier posts that the banks can certainly afford to take the accounting hits on these underwater loans.

Until this issue is addressed we will continue to have a slow (in some placed stalled) real estate market. The people out at the end of these bad mortgages are the only ones in the chain who can't afford to take the financial hit. So, they are holding on to underwater properties, locked into place by the very mortgage  products that were made to look, oh, so attractive a few years back.

Tanya did note that the lack of action in Washington towards this solution is also driven by money - campaign contributions to the major parties and politicians - to guarantee that nothing is done to endanger those fees. It will likely take an uprising of the people even larger that the Occupy Wall Street movement to ween our politicians from the teats of the big money banks.

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Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Even the poor butterfly knows that he has to spin a cocoon and do some work to enter into the next phase...just waiting around wont cut it...Does anyone notice the silence on this subject from everyone in office and power...?

Dec 04, 2011 01:45 AM
Bill Gillhespy
16 Sunview Blvd - Fort Myers Beach, FL
Fort Myers Beach Realtor, Fort Myers Beach Agent - Homes & Condos

The money pouring in from the lenders will ensure very little will change.  Sad.

Dec 04, 2011 02:08 AM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

Seems like a far off happening to me...as Phil says many homeowners would be up in arms...I don't see the traction for it happening though...thanks

Dec 04, 2011 02:11 AM
Wes Green
Phyllis Browning Company - San Antonio, TX

Moving from Texas to California in 2007, really opened my eyes to the abuse of the lending industry... I moved to Napa, CA and worked selling real estate from San Fransico, up through Marin County to Napa and back down through Vallejo, Oakland to San Francisco... A big geographical territory. There were 6 of us that worked together. With the relationships my friend had with the banks, asset managers and lenders... We were doing bpo's a and picking up the listings that were foreclosed on. We had, at one point, listing inventory of over 250 listings... This equated for 100+ closed transactions a month, in some cases. 

Good people were hurt by the market, meant well and did not have crazy NINJA (no income, no job or assets) loans... But did loose a job or some other "true" hardship... I am not talking about this small group.

So in Texas, at the top of the bubble, you could refi your home and pull money (equity) out, up to 70% of value... If credit was strong enough you may be able to go as high as 80%... In California, without a job, low credit scores and no assets... You could pull up to 125% of value, out of your home... 

Example:

Texas-$300k valued home, owe $150k-cash out refi 80%=$240k so you will walk away with $90k, in cash and have a 20% equity position on your home, in case you need to sell...

California-$300k valued home, owe $150k-cash out refi 125%=$375k so you will walk away with $225k, in cash and have a  have a -25% equity position, in case you need to sell...

What were the owners doing with the money? Buying cars, trips and in some cases buying more real estate in other markets that they really could not afford. This is why the problems are bigger than the markets in which the super liberal guidelines resided in...

Long story short, the banks did not put us in this mess, it was greed. While I agree that some form of bail out is needed, I don't agree with the "create more debt" mentality that was running rampant in the NINJA loan days. 

This is of the same mind set... Our GDP will not be able to out pace the interest owed on our national debt.

By the way... I just moved back to Texas where we are seeing extensive job growth, money funneled into research and development and home appreciation... I am a Texan that loves California-so I write this to inform and hopefully change perspective, we are all in this together(:

Dec 04, 2011 02:13 AM
Bruce Hicks
Best Homes Hawaii - Honolulu, HI
Your Best Hawaii Realtor!

It's amazing to find that we are are in this debacle nationwide.  At a recent seminar, an escrow officer made a statement that seemed relavant.  He said that if the lenders just went ahead and expedited the "Short Sales" and prioritized getting out the foreclosures, our real estate market would collapse, but........that might be a good thing, lower prices for our buyers!

Dec 04, 2011 02:20 AM
Lorraine or Loretta Kratz
Crescent Moon Realty, Inc. & Land N Sea Auctions. - San Marcos, CA
Certified Negotiation Consultants

I am on the side of the homeowner, the banks have the means and the ability to stop foreclosures and would be  capable of working out an equitable arrangement for the homeowners that are facing financial hardships, unfortunately some of your comments reflect that most of the banks are into the greed aspect, and that is truly sad.

What has me puzzle, is that its our tax dollars that has bailed them out, and it seems that they want to buy the hand that feeds them. It is truly a shame.

Dec 04, 2011 02:36 AM
Raine C. Williams
Raine Properties & Investments - Boston, MA

I believe we are due to see some changes in the market fairly soon, and with 2012 approaching and banks now under scrutiny for bad processes and practices, there has to be a light at the end of the tunnel.  I believe both you and Tanya have the best answer possible for moving the economy..."Principal Reductions" seems to be the best logical decision!!

Thanks for sharing!  Bookmarked for later review!!

Dec 04, 2011 02:52 AM
Bud & Beth McKinney
RE/MAX UNITED - Cary, NC
Cary/Raleigh/Apex NC - The Team That Cares, RE/MAX United

Agreed with everyone, elections can change things. But they might not as well, we have to be prepared for what is to come and find a way to get the word out that this is an idea we all back up. Yes, a few articles is a good start, but we need more than that to put it into practice and action.

Dec 04, 2011 02:59 AM
Bruce Kunz
C21 Solid Gold Realty, Brick, NJ, 732-920-2100 - Howell, NJ
REALTOR®, Brick & Howell NJ Homes for Sale

SO many people would be helped IF banks would just allow refinancing of existing, good standing loans to current interest rates. But no, that would be logical and sensible.

Short sales are bad enough. Allowing principle reductions for some is just wrong. How is either fair to those that DO choose to pay on their obligations?
Bruce

 

Dec 04, 2011 03:23 AM
Brian Geraghty
David Wain Realty, LLC - Fort Lauderdale, FL
Short Sale Expert, 954-790-2602

Well, it's way too late now but I think that instead of just handing the banks the bailout monies, it should have gone to the banks by way of paying down the underwater loans to a principle balance that matched the FMV. True, there would be some inequities along the way. That happens with a broad stroke approach but this method solves two problems. One, it lets people who can't afford to stay in their homes sell and get out from under that burden and get the market moving again and two, gets the monies to banks so they can have the funds to LEND again.

Some people would stay in their homes and not be enticed (or forced) to walk-away knowing that maybe there is some hope of salvaging the home that they LIVE in. If the government wants to hand out these funds, this would have been the more effective means that would have strongly impacted people, the economy and the nation. Every program I've seen so far just dances around the idea of principle reduction but no one wants to touch it except in very rare cases. It really shows that those who developed the bailouts didn't give one iota of thought to giving the little guy a break. I guess they're just TOO SMALL TO BAIL.

Brian

Dec 04, 2011 03:26 AM
Tim Bradley
Contour Investment Properties - Jackson Hole, WY
Commercial Real Estate Expert in Jackson Hole, WY

Follow the money. It's almost always that simple.

Dec 04, 2011 04:25 AM
Tni LeBlanc, Realtor®, J.D.
Mint Properties, Lic. #01871795 - Santa Maria, CA
Tenacious Tni (805) 878-9879

It's sad that after all these years there is no solution.  There are also many variations that would help as well.  Offer loan mods with 5 years of no interest.  Bunches of solutions and we're all geniuses and the banks can't figure it out, right?  Not quite.  They figured it out, and they are doing what makes sense for them.

Too bad for the middle class.

Dec 04, 2011 04:46 AM
Mark Delgado
houses for rent, Solano County & Glen Cove - Benicia, CA
Benicia and Vallejo, Property Management, rental h

Tni has hit the nail on the head. 

What does confuse me, with all due respect, is the cry for Washington to do something to fix "the industry," i.e. private companies.  Yet, I also read, here in AR, the very strong opinion that Washington needs to stop regulating our industry so much.

Which is it?  Do we want out cake and eat it too? Can't have it both ways.

Dec 04, 2011 04:56 AM
Danny Dietl
www.dannyrealestate.com - Minneapolis, MN
Buy, Sell, Lease - iMetroProperty.com

I'm not sure that principal reduction is the answer. The fraud that was reported on tax returns for the $8k first time home buyer tax credit was appaling. How many owners would try and gain the system if it meant a significant principal reduction?

Dec 04, 2011 04:57 AM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

Principal reduction will never happen. Not even with a change in 2012 election. It's too complicated for banks to write down principal. Investors won't agree to it. Government should never have gotten involved in the real estate business in the first place. What has transpired over the last several years (going in to decades) is crony capitalism at its finest.

Dec 04, 2011 08:42 AM
Eric Kodner
Madeline Island Realty - La Pointe, WI
CRS, Madeline Island Realty, LaPointe, WI 54850 -

TARP was rammed through by former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and company and was a "quick fix" at a time when the banking system was beginning to panic (before the public started to follow suit and began to panic as well).  Paulson was a former Goldman Sachs good old boy.  There was no way he was going to try and force the banks to look after the middle class.

Dec 04, 2011 10:18 AM
Anthony Daniels
Coldwell Banker - San Francisco, CA
SF Bay Area REO Specialist

Sometimes great minds just think alike and sometimes they don't.

Good post, thanks for sharing it.

Dec 04, 2011 01:25 PM
Steve Warrene
Your Town Realty - Lower Burrell, PA
Pittsburgh Realtor North and East Pgh.

Norm, It cost $25,000 for a bank to foreclose on a home.  It would cost less time and money to do a Principle Reduction AND keep the taxes paid to the local communities.  So I do not see a bad situation in doing a Principle Reduction at all. 

Dec 04, 2011 01:49 PM
Luis Iniguez
Option One Real Estate - Fontana, CA
Search Inland Empire Homes For Sale - Short Sale Agent

I hope to see principle reductions in the near future.  It is cheaper for the banks to reduce principles than foreclose on a property.  Hopefully things will change in 2012.

Dec 04, 2011 02:09 PM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Norm:  1st congrats on your foresight. You actually SELL real estate, bet a dollar that the women doesn't. But she knows everything about 'investing'. Uhh,huh.

Campaign contributions is a little off the original subject but I agree that needs to be stopped. The banks need to be prospecuted & starting soon. 60 Minutes did a piece yesterday about no one has been prosectued even though they've signed paperwork that should throw them in the slammer.

I'm afraid no one is taking Occupy Wall Street seriously. Every time one of those people are interviewed here in my area on TV they find the nutt job.

Dec 05, 2011 08:49 AM