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In New Construction, This Is Not A Good Sign

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

When you see water in the basement in new construction, this is not a good sign.  It is very, very important that on new construction water is not encouraged into the house.  Proper placement and grading of soil should encourage water AWAY from the house. 

Obviously this water is not coming in through the door.  It is getting in between the foundation wall and and slab BESIDE the stairwell retaining wall.

Had we done this inspection the day before, since it had not rained in some time, we likely would not have seen this problem!

Why is it happening?

The soil beside the stairwell was not compacted enough when it was first pushed back against the foundation wall. 

As such, a gap has developed somewhere underground.  Water is filling that gap.

So much water has been encouraged into the corner beside that stairwell that it has already eroded the corner, sinking the soil downward.

There could be a big rock down there, and soil was not placed solidly around it and the gaps are already filling in.

Or the soil was simply laid in there haphazardly and it is sinking as water encourages the air out.

No matter what, water has already found its way into the house due to pressure and underground gaps created that have encouraged it to pool against the house, jamming its way in wherever it can.

IT IS A VERY BAD SIGN.

This builder will have to address this properly or it will always be a problem.  The other side of the stairwell is EXACTLY the same!  So what was done in one spot was done the same way in another.  Not surprising!

My recommendation:  for sure, on new construction they are not done with the soil grading.  But what is done when soil is first pushed back against the foundation wall is crucially important to the long-term condition of what rests against the foundation wall.  If it is very loosely placed, or has holes or big rocks, gaps will inevitably develop and that make for very conducive conditions for future water pressure.  Such pressure will force it inside.  These kinds of sinking locations, as you see above, need to be addressed right away.

 

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(91)

Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

I've had an uncle who had problems with those retaining walls in an exact same situation. Eventually those walls will heave in the winter etc.  Really has to be address or bad news will happen.

Dec 06, 2011 06:26 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay,

This is a great example of a discussion I had with a builder in this area. It focused on how often I do not see proper compaction of soils around the foundation and then the go with minimal grade and bingo you have that exact scenario.

In some cases our soils here may be porous enough to carry away the moisture but when it doesn't... then problems are a coming.

Also it does not rain where Charlie is, he uses hoses to make up stuff ; ) 

Dec 06, 2011 08:05 AM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

Hi Jay, Definately not a good sign but a sign of the times with builders trying to compete with foreclosures and short sales.

Dec 06, 2011 11:38 AM
Jayson Holland
Listings.com - Denver, CO
Jay Holland

Phenomenal information AS USUAL. Thanks again!

Dec 06, 2011 12:00 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Elisa - when it does, that takes away some of the guessing!

Patty - surprises like that must be very fun!  They also likely make for quick visits!

Steve - that and other things might not be connected.  If the house appears pretty well done, this could be an issue created by that sub.  But yes, you have to be careful overall!

Lyn - heaving is a big issue during freeze cycles.  Best not to have water back there!

Dec 06, 2011 12:22 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Don - that must have been a fun conversation!  And my son lives near Charlie and reports that you are right, it NEVER rains in Seattle...     ;>)

Bob - they are selling a different product, but trying to sell it nonetheless!

Thanks Jayson.  Your comments are always welcome.

Dec 06, 2011 12:24 PM
Dorte Engel
RE/MAX Leading Edge - Bowie, MD
ABC - Annapolis, Bowie, Crofton & rest of Maryland

Dear Jay,

We have some neighborhoods with names starting with Spring.... Usually a good clue that there is water close to the surface. In one of them the builder hightailed it out of the area right after the subdivision was done. Of course, many problems ever since.

Dec 06, 2011 01:40 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Dorte - I have done inspections on houses built on what "used" to be a spring and they do not fair well!  One house I inspected was placed on top of an underground creek and it had problems too.  It's hard to evaluate underground water sources, but they can't ever be helpful to foundations!

Dec 06, 2011 08:20 PM
Sylvie Stuart
Realty One Group Mountain Desert 928-600-2765 - Flagstaff, AZ
Home Buying, Home Selling and Investment - Flagsta

Great post and good pictures. It's definitely not a good sign if you are already seeing water in what's built of the house so far. You may have caught it in good time!

Dec 07, 2011 12:37 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

We caught it at the best time Sylvie!  Right after a big rain storm.

Dec 07, 2011 11:20 AM
Debbie Walsh
SHAHAR Management - Middletown, NY
Hudson Valley NY Real Estate 845.283-3036

Congrats on the feature.  I see this every so often too and it upsets me when I hear "its no big deal."

Dec 08, 2011 06:31 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I've heard that too Debra, and it remains a problem for many years.

Dec 08, 2011 09:30 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Yes, we have foundation drainage systems in my area, but they're not nearly as fancy as the one in Charles's photo.  I'm having a hard time understanding his photo.

Dec 08, 2011 01:39 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Maybe those things are what the downspouts discharge into Reubs.  I don't know!  But it sure looks neatly placed.

Dec 08, 2011 01:56 PM
Paddy Deighan MBA JD PhD
http://www.medicalandspaconsulting.com - Vail, CO
Paddy Deighan J.D. Ph.D

a little attention to detail goes a long way in constrcution...yet so many ignore simple solutions in real estate construction...grading should not be a such an ignored aspect of construction

Dec 08, 2011 08:57 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

And yet it is Paddy.  The inclination is one thing, but sub-surface compaction is biggie big too.

Dec 08, 2011 09:00 PM
Kasey & John Boles
Jon Gosche Real Estate, LLC - BoiseMeridianRealEstate.com - Boise, ID
Boise & Meridian, ID Ada/Canyon/Gem/Boise Counties

Yikes, not a good sign at all.  We once had a new construction home that had no hot water pipes piped through it.  The inspector found it and the builder had to go in and repipe the whole place.  Oops! -Kasey

Jan 08, 2012 03:13 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Kasey - you found an oldie but a goodie!  How could that possibly have gotten through!?  Here both sets of pipes and the drain lines need to be filled with water for 2 days before the County will sign off on the house.  And a pre-drywall inspection, which I highly recommend, will see something like that.  The builder's supervisor is supposed to be on site every day with a flow chart showing what will be done when!  And it takes a home inspector to find this?  Wow, that's about all I can say!

Jan 08, 2012 09:52 PM
MaryBeth Mills Muldowney
TradeWinds Realty Group LLC - Braintree, MA
Massachusetts Broker Owner

I am finding that builders in our area are doing everything possible to avoid a situation like above...water in a basement or any other area of new construction is a big problem!

Oct 31, 2012 10:57 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

As they should MaryBeth!  As they should.  Water control from the very beginning must be a forethought for if not it will most definitely become an after thought!

Oct 31, 2012 11:09 PM