Before you insulate your foundation walls, start with the rim space

By
Home Inspector with Structure Tech Home Inspections

Have you ever noticed how snow will melt around the foundation on older houses?  This will happen at any house with unheated foundation walls, and it's a great visual indication of how the house is losing heat.   When there's no melted snow up against the house, we can rely on thermal imaging to figure out where the heat loss is occurring.  In the image below it's right at the rim space; that's the part that shows up as the brightest orange / yellow.

Heat loss at rim joist

While houses usually act like chimneys, sucking air in at the bottom and exhausting air through leaks at the top, the photo below is a perfect example showing how it doesn't always work that way.  The frost that has accumulated against the siding is all coming from air that's leaking out of the un-insulated, un-sealed rim space.   It was about -15 degrees outside when I took the photo below.

Frost on house

To cut down on basement heat loss, an obvious place to start at is the rim space.  I mentioned this a couple weeks ago when I wrote my post about how I had my entire basement re-insulated, but today I'm going to focus on the rim space alone and discuss the different options for insulating and air sealing this space.

Rim joist

The old way of insulating rim joists was to use fiberglass batts.  As I've mentioned many times in previous blogs, fiberglass batts are a poor choice of insulation for any project... but they should never be used at the rim space because it's nearly  impossible to install a proper vapor barrier here, and fiberglass batts will allow for a lot of air leakage.   Without a vapor barrier at the rim space, you'll have relatively warm, moist air passing through the fiberglass insulation and then condensing at the rim joist.  This can create mold or rotting.

There are only two ways that I ever recommend to insulate the rim space: rigid foam or spray foam.

Using spray foam at the rim space is just about the only thing that is ever done on new construction houses in Minnesota today; while it's expensive, it's worth it because it can be applied quickly and does a perfect job of both insulating and air sealing the rim space.  Wires, faucets, pipes... they're no match for spray foam.  All of the penetrations get sealed.

Spray Foam at Rim Space

While spray foam is supposed to be covered by an approved material to prevent the possible spread of a fire, the rim space is one exception to this rule; this exception can be found in the Minnesota Amendments to the IRC, sectionR314.5.11.  Here in Minnesota, up to 5 1/2" of foam insulation can be sprayed at the rim space and left exposed.  The only downside to using foam insulation is that it's relatively expensive.  You can buy do-it-yourself insulation kits for fairly small jobs, such as a rim space, but I would personally just hire a professional to do this.  It wouldn't cost much more than a spray foam insulation kit.

The alternative to having spray foam applied at the rim space is to install rigid foam insulation.  Installing foam insulation at the rim space takes a long time, but it's not a very difficult project.  Basically, pieces of rigid foam boards get cut to size, placed at the rim space, and caulked or foamed in place to help prevent air leakage.

Rigid Foam at Rim Space

While writing this post, I came across a great blog written by a handy homeowner, showing how he insulated his own rim space with rigid foam.  You can view it here - rigid foam at rim space.

The one thing to remember when making a house tighter is that you'll have less air leaking in to and out of your house, which can create other problems, such as a backdrafting water heater or excessive moisture in the home.  The Minnesota Department of Commerce Energy Information Center has a great handout that specifically addresses this topic, which you can download here - Combustion & Makeup Air.  

Post edit: Check out Charles Buell's post from today about tighter houses.  This is exactly the stuff I'm talking about in the paragraph above.

If you don't have any insulation at your rim space, add this project to your list of 'to-do' projects.  It's not as critical as attic insulation and it takes more time, but it's a good thing to do.  Just don't use fiberglass.

Comments (49)

Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Morgan - most people aren't in to spending much time in their basement, and when they do decide to insulate it, it's almost always fiberglass batts.  Yuck.

Donald - I completely agree with you.  I just added a link to Charles's post :)

Jon - what is snow.  Huh.  Ignorance really is bliss :)

Maggie - definitely.  This stuff certainly helps.

Stephen - thanks.

 

Dec 13, 2011 07:18 AM
Lisa Dunham
Alexandria, VA
Associate Broker, Alexandria Virginia Real Estate

Excellent post Reuben with great illustrations!  Thanks for keeping us educated.  I just learned something new.

Dec 13, 2011 07:21 AM
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

Great information.  many peopel cold save a lot of money with just a bit of effort.  Much of what you show doesn't even cost all that much.

Dec 13, 2011 07:42 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Thanks Reuben, and I am going to go back into mine and provide a link to yours and especially that "Combustion & Makeup Air" article.

Dec 13, 2011 07:49 AM
Vern Eaton
Askov, MN
Realtor 651-674-7449

I did a lot of these things last year to my home and I saw a noticable difference right away.

Dec 13, 2011 07:51 AM
Dora Griffin
D A Griffin Financial.LLC - Fort Thomas, KY
NMLS 6380

Adding this to my favs to work on. My 100+ old house can use some of this.

Dec 13, 2011 08:04 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Lisa - thanks!

William - you're right, this is a pretty inexpensive upgrade, and it's not all that difficult to do.

Charles - good chatting today, thanks for calling.

Vern - good to hear. 

Dora - some day, right?

Dec 13, 2011 08:29 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I was being facetious, you silly you.  And I did not see the - !  Now I am the silly for thinking that it was that warm where you are!

Dec 13, 2011 09:37 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Great post. I recommend foam for the rim as well. Funny you mentioned about excess moisture. I noticed more moisture in my house since installing the new high efficiency boiler. The oil boiler was drawing air for combustion from inside the house. 

Dec 13, 2011 11:25 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Btw here is a rim shot I took not long ago. 
Rim Joist

Dec 13, 2011 11:30 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Reuben and Jim, these rim joists could be referred to as "reverse radiators" :)

Dec 13, 2011 11:47 AM
George Bennett
Inactive - Port Orford, OR
Inactive Principal Broker, GRI

Thanks for the training. I definitely learned a few things from your post.

Dec 13, 2011 02:51 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Jay - yeah, I know :)  But I'm assuming you really do have fiberglass at your rim space, don't you?

James - not only combustion, but also dilution air.  I wrote a post about that same situation a couple years ago - http://activerain.com/blogsview/1128601/moisture-problem-caused-by-high-efficiency-furnace .  

Nice rim shot.

Charles - It would be nice to have reverse radiators in the summer.

George - glad to hear it, thank you.

Dec 13, 2011 09:47 PM
Joni Bailey
101 Main St. Realty - Huntsville, TX
Your Huntsville / Lake Livingston Area REALTOR®
Reuben: thank you for this informative post! I learn so much from my AR inspectors!
Dec 14, 2011 12:20 AM
Rob Ernst
Certified Structure Inspector - Reno, NV
Reno, NV-775-410-4286 Inspector & Energy Auditor

Good post I recently spoke about this same topic to someone. In your diagram it also shows a little insulation over the sill plate. This is important to help stop the cold from coming up from the concrete foundation. We sometime call them band joist here but the band joist is really the same as a rim but on the 2nd floor.

Dec 14, 2011 04:25 AM
Marshall Brown
Mid America Inspection Services, LLC - Fargo, ND
BSEE, CHI

Two great posts on the same subject in one day. I love it. Always something to learn more about. Thanks Reuben>

Dec 14, 2011 06:34 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Of coursa!  House fourteen years olda!  Rim joists leaka!

Dec 14, 2011 08:22 AM
Marzena Melby
Coldwell Banker Burnet Realty - Richfield, MN
Realtor, Twin Cities Minnesota Real Estate

Reuben,

It looks like you are going to make me watch the rim of my house... boring... but... I suppose I better do it!! lol

 

:)

Dec 14, 2011 04:49 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Joni - thanks!

Robert - thanks for the explanation of 'band' vs. 'rim'.  

Marshall - good timing, huh?

Jay - yeah, what else could it be, right?

Marzena - It was good to meet you yesterday, thanks for coming!

Dec 14, 2011 09:59 PM
Chris Smith
Re/Max Chay Realty Inc., Brokerage - New Tecumseth, ON
South Simcoe, Caledon, King, Orangeville Real Esta

Great information Reuben.  Every body (OK, most people) insulates roofs, but we often neglect the floor...

Dec 20, 2011 12:57 AM

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