Jay's Tuesday Free Enterprise Quote - 31 January 12

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"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."

Patrick Henry (1736-1799)

So here is yet ANOTHER Founding Father's prescience that we have not taken to heart.

Or listened to.

Actually we, as a people, as THE PEOPLE, have listened less and less over the centuries to the wisdom, advice and pleadings of the Founding Fathers.

We have given up our liberties little by little for what we have thought to be protection and security.  It has been a mistake.

What are we faced with now?  Is the gubment using the Constitution to restrain the people?  YES!

Take this "mandate" debate over what has been called "health care." 

Mandate - according to Oxford, as a noun, means, "an official order or authorization."
And as a verb, "1. give (someone) authority to act in a certain way, 2. compulsory."

The Founding Fathers had a whole lot of problems with the "authority" of gubment.  They REALLY had a whole lot of problems with a "compulsory" gubment.  And they REALLY, REALLY had a whole lot of problems with the "official orders" of gubment.

All that caused an American Revolution!  And what was installed instead?  A gubment restrained by the people!

So, if there is a "mandate" to purchase the gubment's "health care," when that is determined to be "Constitutional," and I fear it will, there will be ASSUMED the "Constitutional" authorization to act in a compulsory manner. 

How?  They, the ubiquitous THEY, can deny any aspect of any part of the program to anybody they determine unfit to receive it!  If you are too old (and no longer contribute via your taxes) you can be denied a necessary, but "expensive," diagnosis or treatment.  If you are too fat you can be denied a necessary, but "expensive," diagnosis or treatment, until you meet the gubment's weight criteria. If you smoke or drink or use "unapproved" drugs, you can be denied a necessary, but "expensive," diagnosis and treatment until you quit.  And if you have smoked too long and are too far gone with your ailment, well, have a nice day.

"THEY" have been given the authority to do so!

DO YOU THINK I AM OFF THE MARK?  DO YOU THINK I AM A WAY-OUT-THERE PARANOID? 

Think again.

And how far does this authority go?  There is a mandate!  It goes as far as "they" say it goes.  So, if it is "Constitutional" that we have to buy the gubment's "health insurance," excluding and preventing all other types of insurance, inside the country and out, it is also "Constitutional" for the gubment to demand that we can no longer buy Twinkies. 

SIMILARLY, THEREFORE, IT IS "CONSTITUTIONAL" FOR THE GUBMENT TO DEMAND THAT WE DO BUY TWINKIES!  OR HAVE TO BUY GUBMENT-APPROVED, PRE-PACKAGED FOODS.  OR SOYLENT GREEN...

If "health care" is somehow determined to be "Constitutional," we are done as the country envisioned, fought for and set up by our Founding Fathers.  Period.

There will be NO Constitution.  There will be no restraint.  We will be without liberty. 

Remember Patrick Henry's famous line?  That came at the END of a really great speech.  You should read it.

Where is Patrick Henry when you need him?

 

 

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Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
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Good for you Ken!  Do you raise your hand, and extend three fingers, when you repeat it every morning?

Jan 31, 2012 10:29 PM #27
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No, only when I encounter a Scout doing a good deed.

Jan 31, 2012 11:35 PM #28
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You can't help yourself Ken.  Once a Scout, always a Scout.

Feb 01, 2012 12:04 AM #29
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Karl Hess
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I didn't say that health-care is a constitutionally guaranteed right, I said it should be a basic human right, especially in the richest country in the world.  And you are correct, the American health-care system is the best, for those that can afford it...the rest of us, not so much...and the macro statistics prove my point (BTW, when you look at the best hospitals in America, they're usually connected to a university system...a publicly funded university system).

Maybe I'm phrasing this incorrectly; it's true that anyone can get seen in our hospitals, but not everyone can get the care they need. Let's not forget that almost 75% of all personal bankruptcies are caused by medical expenses...and that's just wrong.

Feb 01, 2012 12:49 AM #30
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
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Karl - me thinks you are opening, barely, a single layer, if that, of the onion!  What is a "basic human right?"

I can't define it!  And neither can you.  If it is a "human" right, it should be so for everyone in the world.  Our Constitutional rights are not only definable, but, if bestowed as an endowment from God, then they would work for everyone in the world.  Was it not for dictators, they would and could be!

But human rights?  What are they?  Are they the same in Zimbabwe as they are in Chile as they are in Montana?  They would have to be.  How are they provided?  Who pays for them?  The "poor" in this country would think "basic rights" should include things that the rest of the world would consider HEAVEN!

Further, if health care is a basic human right, what about pharmaceuticals?  Or experimental drugs?  Or heroine?  And further, and you know how this goes, "rights" would get extended all over the place.  Is not housing a right?  And if so, if I have a large family, what about a house with 6 bedrooms?  Where I want?  Near my work?  And a barn for my horses?  Isn't working a right?  I should be able to get there!  What about a car?  What about education?  Food stamps?  Gasoline coupons?  You know how this goes! 

This could go on and on.  I enjoy my Constitutional rights without infringing on anybody else's opportunity to do so.  It costs nothing and nobody pays for it.  But if I have to be provided health care (or houses, cars, education, et al), who pays for it?  Does not my enjoyment of whatever I "need" take something else away from someone else?  Certainly, it has to!  I HAVE NO RIGHT TO THAT!

Until my mother in law's experience (see comment 8 above) - this is a woman near 80 who cannot read or write, cannot sign her name (!) or drive - I would have considered the rest of your comment.  But not now!    Every year she receives more from Social Security than she paid in her entire life.  Tell me, under the proposed "health care" bill, do you think she would have received all that from any hospital and with such quality?  Think again.  The "system," and the "committee," would have denied her all that care - too expensive!  I am probably correct in thinking that she received more $ value during those couple of months in health care than she has made in her life.  She worked for minimum wage her entire life, in a laundry.  That is... when she worked.

She has no money.  Who will pay her "insurance premiums" under the proposed "health care" system?  You going to put her in jail or deny her care because she has paid no premiums?

Just wait how expensive health care will become when it's free!

 

 

Feb 01, 2012 05:10 AM #31
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Karl Hess
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Leaving philosophy out, there are tens of millions of Americans who do not get appropriate medical care.  As far as expense is concerned; how do other western countries do it? They do it with a 'single-payer' system. The problem is that we have the most expensive system, by far, on the planet with a terrible return on the dollar. When you look at infant mortality rates, life expectancy, recovery from major deceases, etc, etc the U.S. is far from number 1. 

Feb 01, 2012 11:02 PM #32
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Jay Markanich
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Karl - you should see what the actuaries on the Heritage site (yes, bona fides - an actuary is the equivalent of about 3 PhDs in math) say about the efficacy of single-payer systems.  I wonder though, if my mother in law can get such good care, for NO money, why can't everyone?

I dislocated my shoulder about 4 years ago playing frisbee football with my Boy Scouts.  I went to the hospital at about 8pm.  The waiting area was so full of illegals I wasn't even admitted to a waiting room for hours.  Then I was never seen by a doctor, and in terrible pain.  Literally, and in front of my family, I popped it back in myself, and left.  As we were leaving the guard at the door said, no kidding, "You should come early in the morning when those people aren't around."  His words.  Illegals use the hospital as their family physician and people like me, who actually pay for service, are pushed to the side.  Maybe millions of Americans aren't getting "appropriate" care, but every illegal I know gets it for free.  And yes, I am VERY sarcastic about it!

Feb 01, 2012 11:20 PM #33
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Hi Jay!  Great conversation here!  I love political debates that can remain civil--a rarity these days, it seems!

Coming from my own experience, I'd like to contribute something about healthcare...from the real world!

You may or may not know that I retired from nursing in 1999.  I worked for the southeast's largest Level 1 trauma center--a teaching facility, public hospital.  From the emergency room to home health care, we were mandated to care for anyone who needed care.  Insurance or no insurance, we cared for them.  And, we're not the ONLY hospital in America who has been doing this for DECADES!  Why the need for the government to step in with regards to our healthcare?

I have friends who are in the healthcare profession who moved to America to practice medicine from socialist countries.  They shared horror stories of patients lying in hallways on gurneys for days at a time, to never be treated because they were 'too old' or their diagnosis required such expensive treatment that the government could not afford to, nor would not cover so, they were allowed to die--and not even painfree.  They were 'cut off' from care.  I'm sorry but, no government employee is going to determine if my husband is cared for or not--my mother, fathers, brother, sons, either!  

I'm still appaled that the public rallied for this one.  Yet another example of how We the People are spoonfed everything from the media and don't do our own research.  Now, they have seen the light--most of 'we the people,' thankfully.  We just have to squash this Bill as quickly as it was FORCED through Congress.  

One thing that many people aren't aware of--only about 11% of physicians are members of the AMA.  I have a LOT of physician friends and contacts and not ONE of them is a member and not ONE of them says that they will remain in practice when this Bill comes into play.  Their conversation does not have to do with THEIR lifestyle changing either--it has to do with what is RIGHT for the patients that they treat.  

I agree that pharmaceuticals and healthcare costs should be brought back to an affordable level.  That goes without saying but, to approach it from a "everyone needs healthcare" standpoint is complete and total BS.  Everyone DOES have a right to healthcare in our system--and they've been getting it free for decades!

Feb 03, 2012 02:17 AM #34
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Thanks Debe.  Glad you could stop by!  And with personal experience!  People rallied because, as Rasmussen said the other day, "The simplest way to get people to make bad decisions is to give them bad information. That’s the way con men work, and that’s how America’s Political Class led America into a fiscal crisis. For several decades, the federal government has consistently and systematically misled the American people about federal spending, deficits, and the federal debt."

Has there been "good" information about the "health care" bill?  Right...

Thanks for stopping by!  So, you ready for the gubment to tell you that you MUST purchase Twinkies?

These free enterprise posts happen every Tuesday and are very popular, many with over 2K clicks.  But few people comment!  It's as though people like it enough to check in and read it, but don't want to come out of the closet!

Feb 03, 2012 05:45 AM #35
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Karl Hess
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Well if we're using anecdotes; I lived, with my family in a "socialist" country (the U.K.) for over 6 years, and found the care exemplary.  Again, the macro statistics don't lie.   BTW, are we saying the insurance companies don't make decisions on procedures they warrant unnecessary or "extraordinary?"

Feb 03, 2012 07:13 AM #36
Rainmaker
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I don't remember saying that, Karl, but of course they do!  My wife is chronically ill, and has had probably 35 surguries in the past 23 years.  Some decisions are made on the basis of care, wanting a CT scan instead of an MRI, of course.  But they are private entities, so they can decide anything they want.  How does care in the UK for American get handled?

Feb 03, 2012 07:23 AM #37
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Karl Hess
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Debe said she doesn't want the government deciding on the care, I was simply pointing out that we have insurance companies making that decision now...and insurance companies have an incentive to decline care...profit.  BTW, if Medicare is good enough for Grandpa and Grandma, why isn't good enough for the rest of us?

When I lived in the UK, I was required to see an American flight surgeon since I was on 'flying status,' but my family saw Brit doctors without a problem...at no cost...hell they even made house calls. When one of my brothers came over for a visit he suffered a pinched nerve during the flight, he saw a doctor and was prescribed a muscle relaxer...the entire cost was 1 pound 50 sterling.  He was pleasantly suprised. 

Look, I'm not saying the single-payer system is flawless, but we have to do something about the skyrocketing cost of health-care in this country because medicare and medicaid ain't going anywhere.

Feb 03, 2012 07:42 AM #38
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Jay Markanich
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No argument there!  Whatever the gubment gets into costs more.  Who said that first?  The first big bureaucrat - Roman dictator Diocletian!  Talk about a bureaucracy!  That guy set up the mother of all bureaucracies!

Insurance companies will pick and choose services, for sure.  Of course maximizing costs is a big deal.  They are in business.  But my wife has been well taken care of, and she is very ill.  However, the gubment would have to decide things like that en masse because they simply could not make individual decisions, as you know.  So there would be decrees, set in stone, with little wiggle room for the individual.  You KNOW I would have a problem with that.  So would Mr. Nameyourfoundingfather.

Feb 03, 2012 07:59 AM #39
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Karl Hess
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My point exactly: Health-care should not be run as a 'for-profit business.' Somehow we've managed to create a system that is the least cost affective while delivering below standard results, especially for the uninsured. BTW, I think Mr. Namyourfoundingfather would be appalled at the way we treat our fellow citizens considering the fact that we have Americans going broke by simply getting medical treatment for an accident or decease. They would certainly wonder about our humanity.

Feb 03, 2012 08:36 AM #40
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Jay Markanich
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Of course it's a for-profit-business Karl!  Doctors and nurses and health professionals are involved!  They are in the business of delivering medicine!  Hence the 25 years of college!

And I think there are a whole lot of things that would appall the FFs that have nothing to do with health care!

Feb 03, 2012 10:10 AM #41
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Karl Hess
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Jay, I have no problem paying people for their expertise...Let me ask you; where would you say all the money that we spend on health-care is going?

Feb 03, 2012 11:20 AM #42
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Jay Markanich
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It's not between left and right Karl.  The battle is between achievers and non achievers, givers and takers, providers and entitled-ers.  You know that!

Feb 03, 2012 11:23 AM #43
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Karl Hess
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Jay..I honestly believe that the best should get paid the best, regardless of their profession...so you're saying that the cost of American health-care is so high because we have to pay for people who have no insurance?

Feb 03, 2012 11:29 AM #44
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Jay,

Congratulations. This post is now featured in "The Law Of The Land." :)

Steve

Feb 04, 2012 09:32 AM #45
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Jay Markanich
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No Karl.  Prices of everything, care and stuff, zoomed with the introduction of the gubment into the medical business.  See the Rasmussen quote in #35 above.  Interesting.  How much good information did we get about Medicare?  Remember, it was determined by "actuaries" that it would never, ever grow to cost more than $84 billion!  As to the current "health care" law, do you really think we have gotten good information?  And what is the reason for this bill?  That's my point in #43.  Oh, and don't forget the tort guys!  They had something to do with it too!

Thanks Steve!  Again.

Feb 04, 2012 10:04 AM #46
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