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Most Attic Access Panels aren't Insulated Properly

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Home Inspector with Structure Tech Home Inspections

For at least the last twenty years or so, the most common way of insulating attics in Minnesota is to use loose-fill insulation - either cellulose or fiberglass.  This is a huge improvement over fiberglass batts, because batts are nearly impossible to install in attics and they cost more money.  Despite the decline of fiberglass batts in attics, I still find a small section of fiberglass batting used above the attic access panel at about 90% of the homes that I inspect, even on new construction.

For the fiberglass batt to insulate the scuttle hole effectively, it needs to fill the entire space and be in significant contact with all four sides of the wood 'dam' that is built inside the attic for the access panel to slide up through.  When the insulation piece is too small, it doesn't touch all four sides and allows for heat loss.  When the insulation piece is properly sized, it works fine, but the insulation won't drop in to place inside the dam.  It needs to be pushed in to place.  To do this, the insulation needs to be installed from the attic side.  

How is the homeowner (or home inspector) supposed to be able to do that?  It's impossible unless there are two ways of getting in to the attic.  When there are two ways of getting in to the attic, it's usually because the average person can't climb from one section of the attic to the other.  I'm an above-average climber, and I've climbed through plenty enough attics to see what those fiberglass batts look like on the other side.  They're almost never right.  The photos below show a few recent examples; either the batts aren't pushed down inside the dams, they're too large, or they're too small.

Fiberglass batt askew

Fiberglass batt askew 2

Fiberglass batt too large

Fiberglass batt too small

When the fiberglass insulation above the attic access panel doesn't get installed properly, the home experiences unnecessary heat loss at this location, which you can clearly see in the infrared image below.  This isn't an unusual installation; this is typical of attic access panels that are insulated with fiberglass batts that are too large.

Poorly insulated attic access panel

If you want to know how well your attic access panel is insulated, climb up in to your attic and have another person drop the attic access panel down behind you.  You'll probably see something very similar to the photos above.

Foam InsulationI've found two solutions that seem to work pretty well.  One is to have the panel re-insulated with something other than a tight-fitting fiberglass batt, such as rigid foam boards that fit the attic scuttle hole perfectly.  Easier said than done, but it's probably the best method I've seen.  In a perfect world, it would fit so tight that the panel had to be pulled down in place with two handles attached to the cover... but most people wouldn't go for that look.  I took a shot at building my own by cutting four pieces of rigid foam to size, gluing them together with 3M spray adhesive, and then duct taping them together for good measure.  It looked about as pathetic as my home-made recessed light cover, but too bad.  I'm the only one who will ever know.

Another solution I've found is to use a fiberglass batt that's slightly too large, and attach it to two or three pieces drywall that covers the scuttle hole.  This makes the cover so heavy that it's quite a chore to push it up in to the attic, but it also helps the panel fall down in to place, pulling the insulation down with itself.

The other common issue I find with attic access panels is that they're not airtight.   This is much more of an issue with old houses than it is with new houses, but I still find my share of new construction homes with poorly sealed panels, such as the one shown below at a new construction inspection in Farmington.

Air Leaking at attic panel

One way to make the attic access panel airtight would be to caulk it shut, but I hesitate to do that because the attic is supposed to be accessible.  A much better option would be to install weatherstripping around the panel, but if the access panel is located in a commonly used hallway, I can understand why homeowners wouldn't want to do this: it's ugly.  I rarely find weatherstripping installed unless the access panel is located in an out-of-the-way closet.

Weatherstripping at attic access panel

If you want to know if your access panel is airtight, just waft some smoke around the panel edges.  If it's leaking, you'll see air movement here.  While air leaks at the lower levels create cold drafts, you usually don't feel them at the attic access panel because it's air leaving the house, not coming back in.

If you have a great attic access panel insulation method that doesn't look hideous and you'd like to share it, please send it to me.  I'd be happy to share it with others.

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Jo Olson
HOMEFRONT Realty - Kettle Falls, WA
Retired - HOMEFRONT Realty @ LAKE Roosevelt

I like the foam board approach. I really like foam board! 

Feb 07, 2012 04:34 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Reuben, I too like the foam board approach.  That said it can be VERY difficult to get the opening to the same value as the insulation of the rest of the attic.  Another good idea is for the access to be in a closet so it has the added protection against heat loss/air movement provided by the closet doors.  Functional weather-stripping is critical.

Feb 07, 2012 05:08 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Josh- thanks.

Jay - where do you even buy 3" foam?

Gita - they're certainly tricky to get right.

Greg- agreed.  It makes 'em a bear to lift though :)

Brian - I'm sure the leaky attic access panel is part of it.

Feb 07, 2012 05:23 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Howard & Susan - no, not good.  Not too difficult to fix though.

Michael - It sounds like I just found a project for you this weekend ;)

James - but man it's tough getting those foam boards cut just perfectly.  I'd love to have an industrial sized table saw with a 20" blade for this.  

Christine - I bet you love your whole house fan, don't you?

Gary - that's where the radiant heat barriers come in handy.

Feb 07, 2012 05:26 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Nathan - thanks.

Richie - always a pleasure :)

Tom - you bet.

Stephen - those pull-down steps are definitely a challenge to get right.  I've seen very few that weren't huge leakers.

Eric - it's always something, isn't it?  

Feb 07, 2012 05:29 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Peggy - insulated tinfoil tent sounds good to me.

Jo - me too.  Foam is great stuff.  Hmmm... that wasn't intentional.

Charles - not only that, but if the attic access is located in a closet, nobody would mind having to put a couple of handles on the panel so it can  be pulled down in to place.

albert - it's always great to hear from you.

Feb 07, 2012 05:32 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Don't know!  Foams R' Us?

Styro B' Us?

Feb 07, 2012 07:20 AM
Rob Ernst
Certified Structure Inspector - Reno, NV
Reno, NV-775-410-4286 Inspector & Energy Auditor

I would be happy seeing poorly insulated ones since most of the time I don't see any.

Feb 07, 2012 10:38 AM
Chris Smith
Re/Max Chay Realty Inc., Brokerage - New Tecumseth, ON
South Simcoe, Caledon, King, Orangeville Real Esta

New toy,  Reuben?

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and attic hatches are normally the weakest links in attic insulation

Feb 07, 2012 11:14 AM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

Reuben:

Waht an interesting post.  I hadn't realized the difficulty in insulating the opening to the attic.  Now I know. 

Feb 07, 2012 02:34 PM
Scott Seaton Jr. SLS Home Insp
SLS Home Inspections-Kankakee Will Iroquois Grundy Counties - Bourbonnais, IL
The Home Inspector With a Heart!

Reuben, best ones are where the cellulose blown in installer leaves about 6 " piled up on top of or around the panel opening, in the master closet, in an occupied home, with a few dozen dresses and suits hung right below. If I peek at it and start seeing insulation falling out, I know I'm in for a long inspection covering up clothes and the floor. Major pain in the butt. 

Feb 08, 2012 01:06 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Reuben, Good article. This is one of those common items. But how they handle it out here is that they have the access in the garage where it may not be insulated at all so the access will not need to be insulated. If it is a heated garage different story.

Feb 08, 2012 02:37 AM
Marshall Brown
Mid America Inspection Services, LLC - Fargo, ND
BSEE, CHI

It is amazing how many, otherwise, well insulated attics have no insulation over the hatch. In my own home I placed a double layer of 6" fiberglass batts, cut to the hatch dimensions, in a heavy duty builders trash bag and attached the bag to the top of the hatch cover.  Vapor barrier and insulation all in one and since it is soft it conforms to the sides of the hatch dam well. Worked for me at minimal cost.

I do like the idea of caulking the hatch cover in place to help reduces air flow into the attic and the necessity of explaining to clients that the black stain on the hatch dam is dirt not mold.

Feb 08, 2012 03:09 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Good idea about the rigid foam insulation glued together.

Feb 08, 2012 06:12 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I am so glad I live in California.  We still struggle with insulation, but it never gets as cold out here.

Feb 08, 2012 09:26 AM
Mike McCann Broker - Mach1 Realty
Mike McCann - Broker, Mach1 Realty Broker-Auctioneer Serving Nebraska - Kearney, NE
ALL Types of Property For Sale 308-627-3700

Yup...picture 4 looks like mine. However...my house attic access is in the garage...which in and of itself is not allowed in some states...but I digress...anyway...my garage is totally insulated and has never froze...even at -17 with no heater on...but I can feel the cold air on those cold days....

I might redo with the styrofoam surround, etc idea.  Thanks!!!

Feb 08, 2012 10:41 AM
Sylvie Stuart
Realty One Group Mountain Desert 928-600-2765 - Flagstaff, AZ
Home Buying, Home Selling and Investment - Flagsta

It's easy to get extra insullation put in, and it can make a huge difference on heat cost and comfort in the home. Great post on some differences!

Feb 09, 2012 01:12 AM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

Hi Reuben, fortunately we don't have that problem in Florida.  I really like the thermal image showing the temperature difference.

Feb 09, 2012 10:12 PM
Dale Taylor
Re/Max 10 New Lenox Illinois http://dtaylor.remax.com - Frankfort, IL
Realtor = Chicago Illinois Homes Townhomes Condos

I have a pull down staircase and a furnace in my attic.  I got an estimate to add more installation up their ranging from $2500-$3500.

Feb 10, 2012 06:27 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

The best attic hatches I've seen are a product well designed for the job. It has a frame that is installed with the drywall ceilings and when the joint taping is done there is nothing to see, no trim, no heavy frame.

The panel itself is paintable sheet metal over a foan insulation core, much like a frige door. and like modern frige doors it has a stepped profile arround the edges that mirrors the frame profile.

The key is the continuous magnetic seal all arround the preimeter, that snaps into contact when you close the hatch, just like a frige door. You know it's closed and it's air tight and well insulated.

And all you see on the finished ceiling is a flush surface with a 20 by 20 pencil line joint seam (some are 20 by 30 inches). Typically they are placed in the ceiling just over the bedroom door where they are out of line of sight from the hallway.

Being in the door swing area means ther is never any furnature obstruction or access problems when you need to get to the attic. Any lose insulation that may come down in the process does not soil racks of clothes (like in a closet) and cleanup is a simple sweep up job.

Where higher insulation R factor values are required it is a simple matter to glue additional foam panels to the attic side of the hatch. Just make sure the glue is compatible with the foam and won't disolve it like contact cement.

 

Those commenters from warmer climates who think this issue is not important for them are being short sighted, especially if they are maintaining cooled spaces with air conditioning. Even when you are not, high levels of continuous insulation in an air tight envelope give you control of your environment. 

You can always open a window or door for 'fresh air. But when you are seeking shelter from cold or heat extremes, or high humidity, etc, if the control isn't built in, ...it isn't there.

Feb 19, 2012 11:51 PM