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Don't Fall For This Trap!

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

It was a dark and stormy night, um, it was a very nice morning and a terrific couple buying a house.  The husband had called me a couple of days prior to the inspection with some very circumspect questions.   This was a house with a lot of "remodeling," but he was told that the "$100K or so" put into it was only "cosmetic."   OK...

Well, you know me - that sent all of my radar dishes pointing in the same direction.

We had a nice conversation and he heard all my typical spiels.  The biggest issue, as always, is getting a copy of the permit, permit, permit.  The permit(s) not only make things legal and declared safe, but they indicate lots of things about the Flipper, et al.

Coming in from outside, my habit is to turn on the dishwasher first, to get it started.

The kitchen was typical of a "remodel" with only "cosmetic" changes - new kitchen, new appliances, new, granite counter top and a new, double kitchen sink.  Everything looked very well done!

Before starting the new dishwasher, which wasn't connected to the counter top or cabinet, I wanted to make sure it was hooked up before turning it on.

It was, and this is what I saw.

The small sink has a disposal, well done, and the large sink its own drain.

The water from the disposal and dishwasher properly drain into a trap.

But the large sink --

1.  Connects to the drain at a right angle and
2.  Connects to the drain AFTER the trap.

And the purpose of the trap is?  To TRAP enough water to prevent sewer gases from coming up from the main drain and enter the house.

One fine day this fine couple, with fine children, will be having a fine morning doing what fine people do on fine mornings.  And their activities will stir up enough of what is contained in the drains to encourage sewer gases to be displaced and enter the house through that right-angle drain which, as I said, connects AFTER the trap.

Smells not typically associated with fine mornings will waft through the kitchen, coming from that drain, and they would not be able to figure out where these smells are coming from!  They will run the disposal, maybe put down a deodorant like orange peels or bleach.  They will check the contents of the fridge, and cabinets, and look around under the sink for dead mammalia.

And they will come up empty. The source of the smell will not be obvious, or found.

Then the smell will stop.  Until, that is, this fine couple, with fine children, have another fine time preparing food or using the drains, and the smell will return.  The smell will vary in intensity, but IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN.

Why?  Because the person putting together that fine sink assembly is NOT a plumber.  This is NOT cosmetic!

My recommendation:  if what you can see in a house is not professional, and a problem, what about what you cannot see?  The older I get, the less effective my X-ray vision becomes.  Things like this bother me!  When you consider a house that is "remodeled" only "cosmetically," be sure to ask questions about the contractor and permits.  And don't forget your home inspector!  He might be of help.

 

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(61)

Laurie Clark CRB Angel Realty LLC Your Monument Realtor 719-502-6572
CRB-CCSS-ASD-HBS-RSD-Denver Short Sale Agents - Monument, CO
Angel Realty, LLC

Congrats on the feature! Great post full of excellent advice. Great catch too. I am always glad to work with knowledgeable and focused inspectors. Thanks for sharing and have a great week.

Feb 29, 2012 11:23 AM
Richard Weisser
Richard Weisser Realty - Newnan, GA
Richard Weisser Retired Real Estate Professional

Jay...

I'm starting to know you too well ... after reading your title. I had a pretty good idea what was coming up in the post!

Feb 29, 2012 12:02 PM
John Mulkey
TheHousingGuru.com - Waleska, GA
Housing Guru

Jay - Looks as if "flipper" missed a class or two in plumbing. While the installation may look "neat" to the average buyer, it smells.

Feb 29, 2012 12:12 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jay, that is one stinker of an installation---again no thinking required

Feb 29, 2012 12:13 PM
Rob Ernst
Certified Structure Inspector - Reno, NV
Reno, NV-775-410-4286 Inspector & Energy Auditor

I thought P traps were only for the bathroom. Another amazing repair.

Feb 29, 2012 12:37 PM
John Juarez
The Medford Real Estate Team - Fremont, CA
ePRO, SRES, GRI, PMN

I don’t know what it says about me when I can look at your photo of the botched plumbing job and recognize the problem. What is does not say is that I am a competent plumber who would not have made that error. I like to have people who actually know what they are doing to work on my house, my car, my teeth, etc. I would not want amateurs or incompetents doing any of those jobs on my behalf.

Feb 29, 2012 12:43 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Gretchen - I think they really didn't know this was incorrect!

RSD-Denver - I'm glad the inspection experience is good for you.  The industry really tries to insure that the inspectors out there are competent and trained.

Richard - you mean changing the T in the title to a C?

John - a class or two to say the least!  But he used purple primer!  Oh wait, I don't see any!

Charlie - is and would still be in time!  That would have been a constant source of stress.

 

Feb 29, 2012 06:54 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Rob - who knows!  This "plumber" might have thought that too!

Juan - it pays to have someone do things right.  Sometimes we have to pay a bit much for it, but that's a different thing altogether!

Feb 29, 2012 06:55 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

I had a similar, but to a much larger extent plumbing experience recently. This one was a stinker just like yours. 

Feb 29, 2012 07:46 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

The beat goes on Jim, and on and on and on!  Do you think Flipper is secrety Uncle Bob in disguise?

Feb 29, 2012 08:05 PM
Lisa Von Domek
Lisa Von Domek Team - Dallas, TX
....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless!

Good morning Jay,

Fun post, your humor always makes me smile...Yes, beware the remodels and "flips" - the shiny new often hides numerous flaws.  Walking a new construction my client turned on the kitchen faucet to check the water pressure, and water began pouring out of the cabinet - no drain line under the sink!

Feb 29, 2012 09:06 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Been there too Lisa!  And that is when you hear the supervisor saying you don't need a home inspection because there has been a supervisor here every day and there have already been dozens of inspections!

Feb 29, 2012 09:11 PM
Robert Rauf
CMG Home Loans - Toms River, NJ

A nice, neat install, but WRONG!  at least it is a simple fix, and hopefully not a sign of the "quality" of the other work

Feb 29, 2012 11:17 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It was the first thing found Robert, and quite the sign!  Quite the sign.

Feb 29, 2012 11:19 PM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

Jay:

Nice post.  Yes, people often do work on their homes and often do it badly.  I advise my clients to be sure that they use a professional, especially for plumbing and electrical work.  It is worth the paying more to have the job done right.

Mar 01, 2012 02:25 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Evelyn.  This flip was full of interesting things throughout!  Not much of it was professional!

Mar 01, 2012 07:40 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Lefty tried to take a shortcut.

Mar 01, 2012 06:52 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

And, if I remember my Chutes and Ladders correctly, Reubs, sometimes that gets you further ahead quicker!

Mar 01, 2012 07:04 PM
Surprise Arizona Realtor Jim Braun Sun City Grand Active Adult Communities
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage Jim Braun Sun City Grand Az - Surprise, AZ
Surprise AZ real estate Phoenix West Valley

Jay: Another great blog to give us reasons to always use an inspector. It saves our buyers money in the long run.

Mar 01, 2012 09:55 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Jim - that it does!  Yesterday I saved a potential buyer over $100K!  More or less.  That was one cheap inspection!

Mar 02, 2012 02:16 AM