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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

On this house, the selling agent, FOF (Friend Of Flipper) created quite the little disclosure issue for him/herself.

A Flip List was left on the kitchen counter.  It left for the buyer all the things done by the Flipper to "improve" the house.

I am sure the list is true.  And I am sure the "improvements" were not done with any permit whatever.

"New roof and roof flashing" was on the list.

No permit is needed in Virginia to put on new roof shingles.

And everything was new - shingles, plumbing penetration sleeves and chimney flashing.

Obviously the previous roof covering was bad enough that this Flipper bit the bullet and put on new shingles.

But other problems were not corrected.

For instance, see the dip to the left of this chimney?  There is a reason for that.  Such dips exist all over the roof and from the inside (rotting or separating plywood) it is easy to see why.

But what is wrong with this picture?

There is caulking above and below this "flashing" and nails all through "holding" it against the chimney.  And it's upside down.

There is nothing correct here.  This is all a big NO NO.  IT IS UNPROFESSIONAL.

Of course, step flashing under each shingle, and a counter flashing covering everything should be the proper course.  We inspectors have published many posts about this roof flashing installation.

Of course, from inside the attic, it is obvious that the new "flashing" isn't working. 

It had rained the night before this inspection and the moisture, and mold evidence, is visible.

Look at all the extra new nails.

THIS GUY IS NOT A ROOFER.  IF HE IS, HE SHOULD TURN IN HIS ROOFER CARD.

The rest of the house was like this.  The "plumber" was not a plumber, the "electrician" was not an electrician, and the flooring installation, kitchen cabinet installation, ceramic tile installation, appliance installation, new window installation were all just as unprofessional.

My typical report on a typical, well-maintained house has about three pages of summary.  This report had eight pages!  After receiving a copy of my report on this house, it seems to me, this FOF has a lot of disclosure to make!  If, and that's a BIG if, it gets disclosed at all...

My recommendation:  while lists of things done, or upgrades made, or interesting features of a house, might be left for the buyers, still check them out!  And a competent home inspector, the one with lots of radar dishes sticking out, is the best way to go!

 

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(26)

Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

S&D - I have never seen a three-layer roof!  Not permitted here.  And doing so would be a problem for sure!  Like you say...

No disclosure needed in VA, Andrea, UNLESS you hear about problems.  Some agents are saying they do NOT want a copy of the inspection report, and hence no "need" to disclose.  Pretty crappy practice it seems to me.

Clint - I hear there is a flipper here "gunning" for me.  Apparently I have cost him a lot of money.  Well, just do it right!

Ken - that was most certainly done right!  Good for you too, being young and still having it done right.

Michael - wow, pretty quick turn around on the comment to comment!  And turn over often.  Good SPF too...

Mar 01, 2012 08:24 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Joe - and this one would rate BELOW average.  Well, maybe pretty common for most flips I see however.

Mar 01, 2012 08:25 PM
Lisa Von Domek
Lisa Von Domek Team - Dallas, TX
....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless!

Good morning Jay,

Another reminder to any Buyer - Shiny/New can be deceptive.  It was nice of the Seller to provide the "improvements" to help guide everyone on what to pay special attention too, though!  LOL

I like the "gunning" for you comment - maybe you should have a special inspector shirt made to wear on the job with a big bullseye...and, of course, a big smiley face on the reverse.

Mar 02, 2012 12:57 AM
Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

Jay --- while disclosure is a big issue in California as in other states, nothing is better than personal and professional investigation of the property especially when it is sooooo pretty on the outside.   

Mar 02, 2012 01:18 AM
Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

Disclosure is the only way to go even if you do not have to do it.   It seems the sellers still "forget" some things like having a permit, inspections and quality!

Mar 02, 2012 01:22 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, Chimney flashing is one of my most written up issues I find. Even (quote) "professional roofers" do them wrong/ poorly. So now you think a flipper is going  to do it right ; )

Mar 02, 2012 01:25 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Lisa - I would have known what they did even without the list, but he/she was bragging a bit about how much they did to the house!  A bull's eye would not be a bad idea!

Michael - I would agree with that completely!  Nothing beats an experienced home inspector!

Gary - they forget all kinds of things!  Then pretend they didn't know it was necessary...

Don - no, I don't!  There is a roofer here who has a photo gallery on his site of what he calls "jackleg" roofing jobs, done by professionals!  It is a funny gallery!

Mar 02, 2012 02:13 AM
Chris Smith
Re/Max Chay Realty Inc., Brokerage - New Tecumseth, ON
South Simcoe, Caledon, King, Orangeville Real Esta

Jay, when I see evidence of such shoddy work, I advise my buyers to steer clear, and if they are still interested, that they have to realize a huge discount to cover potential re-work.

Mar 02, 2012 02:18 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That is great Chris!   Unless, of course, they don't have the cash available for stuff when it happens.

Mar 02, 2012 02:21 AM
Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

Jay -- If that is how well he took care of the roof (if he had replaced the sheathing - would he have needed a permit?) - we can guess how the other things turned out.  Have a great weekend!

Mar 02, 2012 02:31 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

No sheathing replaced, Steven, and that picture of it beside the chimney is representative of the sheathing condition throughout the roof!

Mar 02, 2012 02:42 AM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

I'm surprised the "roofer" didn't fall through the sheathing when putting new shingles on. I would back out of that purchase if I were the buyer.

Mar 02, 2012 03:07 AM
Cindy Jones
Integrity Real Estate Group - Woodbridge, VA
Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News

Haven't any of these flippers been sued yet or paid significant fines to the county?  No building permits, no inspections, it's time to put these guys out of business.

Mar 02, 2012 03:42 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I agree Cynthia!  There were some really rotten areas.  I am surprised they held nails!

Cindy - this house is down your way!  Don't know!  I think the law is pretty clear.  They can't think they will always slip by selling the house without a home inspection. 

Mar 02, 2012 05:58 PM
Lisa Von Domek
Lisa Von Domek Team - Dallas, TX
....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless!

Good morning Jay,

When you get that shirt made, you need to post a photo modeling it for all of your fans on AR!

Have a great weekend!

Mar 02, 2012 11:19 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Lisa - boy, that's going to be a big target!  That Flipper is apparently an eastern European and very upset with me!

Mar 03, 2012 06:19 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

New does NOT mean well done. Many home buyers get sucked in by the flippers tricks. Too bad for flipper we home inspectors can reveal the secrets. 

Mar 03, 2012 09:01 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

And that is sometimes a very hard job to do Jim.  But reveal we must, if we can.  It isn't a game of gotcha.  It is one of protecting our clients, when possible.

Mar 03, 2012 09:01 PM
Eric Middleton
Closer Look Property Inspections Inc. - Uniondale, NY
Professional Property Inspector

Jay -  anytime I do a flipper inspection my spider senses always go on. There's always something wrong when the flippers finish a house.

Mar 04, 2012 10:23 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I do a lot of them Eric, and it always causes all the radar dishes to point in the same direction.

Mar 04, 2012 06:08 PM