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Selling Your Own listing. Double Dipping ? What A Crock !

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Real Estate Agent with New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County

This post is dedicated to all of you "Double Dipper" crabby-pies: 

There are a couple of posts currently on Active Rain that use the phrase "Leaving Money on the Table."  That part was pretty-much talked to death.

But also in those posts... the use of a another phrase came up that I absolutely HATE. 

"Double Dipping."

I am sorry... but I really, really do hate that phrase.  And how it sounds.  But also... what it MEANS.  Or is supposed to mean.

First of all... about "Double Dipping." 

What gets dipped ?  And second of all... into what... is whatever it is... being dipped ?

Double dipping... getting both "halves" of a commission... does NOT get you any more commission.

Why not ?  Because of the following:

Let's suppose you have a listing, and it sells.  Not by you.  So, you get one "side" of a transaction.  And one commission.

Let's also suppose you have a buyer.  You sell that buyer a home.  Some "other" home.  So again, you get one "side" of a transaction.  And one commission.  Two total "sides"... each of which brings a commission.

OR... you might take that buyer of yours... and sell them your own listing... (assuming in your state that you can do that) and you still get "2 sides."  A listing side, and a selling side.  Also two total "sides"... each of which brings a commission.  There IS no difference.

So this talk of "oh, she sold her own listing... so she gets the FULL commission..." just serves to make it sound like you are a selfish greedy Realtor. 

How silly.  You closed a seller, you closed a buyer.  There is NO windfall as far as commission in concerned.

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Comments(210)

Sidney Kutchuk - Realty Works Temecula Kutchuk - Realty Works Temecula
Realty Works Temecula - Temecula, CA
Realty Works Temecula

Unless it is not allowed dual agency is just that!  But I do hate it when the listing agents are given free reign to advertise and put signs up BEFORE it goes in the MLS, which is what happens in Cali all of the time.

Mar 20, 2012 11:39 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Jane:  It might sound like we are mincing words here, but really, we are not.  Dual Agency is not allowed in Texas.  But we have something called acting as an "Intermediary."  Some might say it is pretty similar, but legally, it is different.  But again... every... yes, every state does things anywhere from a little differently, to quite a bit differently.

As far as getting signage up... in Texas... an agent can plant the sign the minute the home is actually listed, but Fort Worth/Dallas MLS rules give that agent up to five days to get the information into the MLS.  This is the case, unless the seller directs the Listing Agent to do something differently.  That, by the way, in my experience, is a rarity.  It is an advantage for the Listing Agent, but as long as it is allowed by the state, or local MLS or associations... it is legal.  Again... every state is different.  Thanks so much for your comment.

Mar 20, 2012 11:58 AM
Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
Fathom Realty Washington LLC - Tacoma, WA
South Puget Sound Washington Agent/Broker!

I'm sorry Karen Anne it took me 1/2 hour to scroll down to the bottom of the comments section and I forgot what the topic of your post was. This was a very good post only made better by the comments... 

Mar 20, 2012 01:49 PM
Jamie King
Hoty Enterprises, Inc. - Huron, OH
Sandusky, OH

Loved this! I, on occasion, act as both buyer's agent and seller's agent. A dishonest, unethical agent will be just that whether working with a buyer, working with a seller or both. Acting as a dual agent doesn't suddenly initiate dishonesty.  I truly believe there are many agents, like myself ,that toe the line when it comes to law and ethics and always fairly represent the parties in a transaction.

I've always believed if you have trouble trusting other people, it's often because you can't be trusted yourself!!!

Mar 21, 2012 04:31 AM
Tracy Lee Parker
RE/MAX DFW Associates - Royse City, TX
Buy*Sell*Rent

 I must admit I have been quilty of saying "Double Dipping" but only to my husband, I would never say it to a client! 

Mar 21, 2012 05:47 AM
Monique Ting
INET Realty Honolulu, HI - Honolulu, HI
Your agent under the sun

The way you present it, I see no problem with this situation. The problem arises when the buyer is not actually your"client" but someone that has called you on the listing or that you have met at the open house. In that case, you are obligated to represent your seller & in order to keep the transaction ethical, you should refer the buyer to someone else (a fellow agent at your brokerage) in order to avoid "conflict of interest".

Mar 21, 2012 06:45 AM
Carol Zingone
Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Florida Network Realty - Jacksonville Beach, FL
Global Realtor in Jax Beach, FL - ABR, CRS, CIPS

Karen, I think there is MORE work involved in working both the buyer and seller!  Here we transition to Transaction Broker if/when that happens.

Mar 21, 2012 06:51 AM
Yolanda Cordova-Gilbert
Richmond, TX

Karen,

              Another Great Blog and I agree double dipping is a bad term; I think sometimes perception is reality. If you bring buyer and seller together that is great just some people do take advantage.

Mar 21, 2012 09:34 AM
Marianne Grant, Realtor
Jack White Real Estate - Anchorage, AK
CRS 907-529-6602

Hi Karen,  In Alaska, the term dual agent has been replaced with "neutral licensee". Both buyer and seller have to agree in writing, of course, to the agent being "neutral". I have found  transactions in which I work for the seller and the buyer to actually be easier, because I am in control of the whole process without having to rely on the other agent doing his/her part to make it a smooth transaction and pleasant experience for my clients. Call me a control freak. On the issue of money-why would I not deserve the listing and the selling side commission, if I accomplish what I promised when I was hired by my seller: to make every effort to find a buyer, and by my buyer: to help him/her find and close on a home.

Mar 21, 2012 05:08 PM
Daniel J. Brudnok, REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Fox & Roach, REALTORS - Exton - PA License #RS-225179-L / Delaware License #RS-0025038 - Downingtown, PA
SRES, e-PRO,ABR,GREEN,CSP

Karen,

I am still holding at 3 over my long career and every time I was asked to do by both sides....I did discount the overall fee to the Seller, I just felt it was the right thing to do.

Mar 21, 2012 10:48 PM
John McCormack, CRS
Albuquerque Homes Realty - Albuquerque, NM
Honesty, Integrity, Results, Experienced. HIRE Me!

Karen - Fact is the home Debbie and I now own and live in I had listed. When I listed it there was no intent on buying the home.  It was new and I knew the builder well.  After checking it out we decided to make him an offer and he took it.  Almost nine years later the home we brought to flip in a couple years has become home sweet home and I think we've finally rooted :)  The deal left both us and the home owner happy. 

Mar 23, 2012 09:54 PM
Charles Stallions
Charles Stallions Real Estate Services - Pensacola, FL
850-476-4494 - Pensacola, Pace or Gulf Breeze, Fl.

Only you Karen Anne only you look at all the double dippers lurking here LOL

Mar 24, 2012 07:13 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Tracy Lee in #197:  I think I will leave all the places I COULD go... as far as you only using the term "double dipping" with your husband... but I am thinking this would be a great time to simply leave well-enough... alone. 

Paul in #195:  Forgetting things that quickly happens a lot to us older folks seasoned agents.  Not to worry, though.  You've got lots of company.

Jamie in #196:  You are very wise, Miss Jamie.  If someone finds themselves distrusting other people, they may not be very trust-worthy themselves.  Very nicely put.  I see you are from Sandusky.  Is Cedar Point still open ?  I went there many times as a little girl... and loved it.

Mar 24, 2012 07:33 AM
Liz Lockhart
Riverbend Realty, Cape Girardeau, MO - Cape Girardeau, MO
GRI, Cape Girardeau Real Estate

As usual, dear Karen Anne, you have put it all in perspective perfectly. Amen!

Mar 24, 2012 10:12 AM
Debbie Laity
Cedaredge Land Company - Cedaredge, CO
Your Real Estate Resource for Delta County, CO

Bear got his hug. Now I'm going to send you an email, and you might not like me anymore. But I'll still like you.

Mar 25, 2012 01:22 PM
Robert Vegas Bob Swetz
Las Vegas, NV

Hello once again Karen ... look at the comments to your post, WOW! "Great Job" and all your replies to these comments ... unbelievable!

VB ;o)

Mar 28, 2012 01:21 AM
Kasey & John Boles
Jon Gosche Real Estate, LLC - BoiseMeridianRealEstate.com - Boise, ID
Boise & Meridian, ID Ada/Canyon/Gem/Boise Counties

Ah man!  Another featured post I missed.  I so want to take the time to read all 208 comments, but I just don't have time.  I don't often "double end" our listings, though on short sales it is actually beneficial because we have the control to make sure the buyer knows what is going on and sticking around.  But, either way, you are right - we sell that buyer our listing or we sell them another listing. 2 sides. -Kasey

Apr 01, 2012 01:40 PM
Pete Xavier
Investments to Luxury - Pacific Palisades, CA
Outstanding Agent Referrals-Nationwide

Along with working with both sides and having greater liability involved in a dual agency, the commission is more than earned.

I'll use the money to buy a double dipped fudge sundae.

Oct 06, 2012 07:29 PM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

In Virginia, the way dual agency works, neither side would truly be represented because we become paper pushers.  When someone hires us to represent them our duties include advising them on how to make or negotiate an offer.  When we "represent" both sides, we can long do that.  So for me, I don't feel that it is appropriate, or really what the client's each signed up for when they hired me to represent them, if I trip into dual agency.  So from where I sit in our state, it feels like the only person that wins IS the agent because they get paid the same amount for each client for doing LESS than they would normally do.  

Feb 12, 2013 11:55 PM
Anonymous
lisa

double dipping should be against the law. you are not being ethical. dont post the listing to attract other buyers if you already have one you are working with. smh.

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