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Owners selling fractional interests

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Real Estate Agent with Coastal Properties Group International - Christie's International

In our slow market, several property owners feel that they can get more money if they divide their condo or their home into fractional interests. I received an e-mail this week from a waterfront owner in Tampa who wanted to sell 3 three-month interests in his property, and maintain one three-month interest for himself.

I haven't responded, because I don't have the expertise (yet) to handle these situations. If it were a condo, the condo association and their rules would probably determine whether this can be done. In a single family - what about the zoning requirements of a "single family home"? The zoners probably never considered four different one-at-a-time owners. What about deed restrictions?  Who's going to control the expenditures? Is it "Not a security" if none of the owners expect income from renting out all or part of their 3 months? What if only 2 or 3 of the shares sell?

Sounds like lots of issues and concerns. I'm wondering if any of you have been involved in these situations, how they were structured, and what the outcome was.

Sharon Simms, Real Estate Agent selling homes in St. Petersburg, Florida, the Gulf Beaches and the Tampa Bay area.  

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Sharon Simms
CIPS CRS CLHMS CRB RSPS
Coastal Properties Group
CHRISTIE'S International Real Estate
238 Beach Drive NE
St Petersburg, FL 33701
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Susan Milner
Florida Future Realty, Inc. - Cape Coral, FL
Cape Coral Real Estate Broker, FloridaFutureAgents

Sharon,

 I've seen others doing it here as well. Another one I've seen are the splitting of duplexes into condos. I always wonder who gets to decide on maintenance, problems, lawn care, etc in cases like that. There's no association to dictate such things.

Maybe setting up an LLC with rules & regulations & have each partner agree to those outlined terms. Obviously a condo association would have to approve such instrument but that may be a possibility - at least help legally.

 Kee us posted...has anyone consulted a real estate attorney?

Dec 30, 2006 12:17 PM
Teri Isner
Keller Williams Realty at the Lakes - Orlando, FL
GRI, CRS, CIPS
Sharon, you need a securities license to sell fractional ownership in Florida.
Dec 30, 2006 01:18 PM
joanne Douglas
Terrie O'Connor Realtors - Ridgewood, NJ
Interesting discussion here.  I would like to see more real estate attorneys involved here on AR to shed some light on this.  I have no experience with time shares but from the little bit I do know, this sounds like it would fall into that category.  But how would we as Realtors handle a transaction like this?  Good question you raised here.  
Dec 30, 2006 02:09 PM
Sharon Simms
Coastal Properties Group International - Christie's International - Saint Petersburg, FL
St. Petersburg FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS

Teri - I know that most of the fractional interests are sold with the intent of the owners renting out their shares, and that is a security here in Florida. I just didn't know if no income was involved, if it was still a security.

Michele - I hope you can find the article - would enjoy reading it.

joanne - I'd like to see more attorney involvement as well.

Yes, if I hear or learn more, I'll be sure to post it and let you all know.

 

Thanks for your comments. 

Dec 30, 2006 09:32 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Well, there are a lot of ways to pave the road to the courthouse.

This is one of the surest ways I've ever seen.  I hope they save the money they collect for the "shares" because they'll need it to pay their attorneys.

 

Lenn

Dec 30, 2006 10:34 PM
Diane Bell, Hilton Head Real Estate, Bluffton
Charter 1 Real Estate, Hilton Head, Bluffton, SC - Hilton Head Island, SC

Wow, that's a radical concept and one that should keep our interest here.  I've never encountered anyone doing this.  I would think the legal ramifications would be daunting.  But who knows?

Dec 30, 2006 10:56 PM
Kathy Vaughan
Ryan Taylor Homes - Annandale, VA
You've uncovered an area where we could all use more information. I'll be looking for responses to your post. Thanks for asking about this.
Dec 30, 2006 11:58 PM
Anonymous
Sherman D. Potvin
Dear Sharon, This type of ownership is called "fractional ownership" and is the fastest growing segment or the real estate market the world over. Please visit our website. www.lfguide.com to get more education on this subject and a look at my new book on this very subject, cheers, Sherman
Dec 31, 2006 01:53 AM
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Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Coldwell Banker Realty
Sharon - Fractional interests crossed our radar last month - we have to study up on them however they are part of a much bigger picture for us in 2007.
Dec 31, 2006 02:32 AM
Michele Connors
The Overton Group, LLC Pitt & Carteret County - Greenville, NC
Your Eastern North Carolina Realtor

http://www.forbes.com/business/forbes/2006/1225/068.html    Forbes

 

http://users1.barrons.com/lmda/do/checkLogin?mg=evo-barrons&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.barrons.com%2Farticle%2FSB114869210443564948.html%3Fmod%3D9_0031_b_this_weeks_magazine_main     Barrons

 

Here are some related articles, still fishing for the really interesting one of the fella that is making a club out of the joint elite owners.

Dec 31, 2006 03:14 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude
I'll be interested to hear what people say. Seems to me it could be done but there might be some complicated legal and zoning issues. Lots of complexes don't allow rentals for shorter periods so that would have an impact in a particular area, especially if all residential, and who will manage everything? Could be some additional expenses for the management process (e.g., monthly dues), as well as the initial legal process to get it all set up. The resorts do it all the time - we have several right in our area here in Carlsbad at the La Costa Spa and at the Four Seasons, but wonder how it will or can work for an individual home. Maybe like a condo conversion?
Dec 31, 2006 03:25 AM
William Collins
ERA Queen City Realty - Scotch Plains, NJ
Property and Asset Management

Sharon,

Thanks for the post. Would it no make more sense for the seller to form an LLC? Advertise that the LLC is looking for partners in this venture. The interested parties would provide the down payment and closing cost funds and have the property purchased by the LLC.

 

Dec 31, 2006 03:33 AM
Stefan Scholl
Buyer's Broker of Northern Michigan, LLC - Petoskey, MI
Northern Michigan Real Estate

Sharon,

Quarter-shares have become popular in my resort market.  All of these properties are condominium units, and the management and ownership rules are set forth in excruciating detail in the condo master deeds.  Although four quarter shares are more costly than a whole ownership unit, the price entry point and continuing operating expenses are much less.

Dec 31, 2006 06:32 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans
Sharon.... I agree..... this would be an interesting topic... but as a few have said.. it would be like a time share in my opinion....  but I have no expertise in this.  Keep us posted....
Dec 31, 2006 08:01 AM
Kristal Kraft
Novella Real Estate - Denver, CO
Selling Metro Denver Real Estate - 303-589-2022

Sharon ~ when times get tough, people get creative.   I think you are wise to bone up on the particulars before you talk to your prospect.  It looks like it could be both a good and bad idea, depending on how much regulation one anticipates.

kk

Dec 31, 2006 02:50 PM
Sharon Simms
Coastal Properties Group International - Christie's International - Saint Petersburg, FL
St. Petersburg FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS

Sherman - thanks for the many rich links to information.

Michele - thanks for looking up the Barron's article.

 

Dec 31, 2006 11:35 PM
Ron Withers ----Retired Mortgage Professional
Kissimmee, FL
Necessity (market adversity) is the mother of invention....could this be a new wave forming?
Jan 01, 2007 12:25 AM
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This sounds pretty complicated to me. That's why I can hardly wait to hear how you resolve it.!!!
Jan 04, 2007 05:37 AM
Jeanine Metts
Metts Group at Future Home Realty - Clearwater, FL
Make Your Move with the Metts

This is an old post, but I have a realtor friend that has an attorney brother who does fractional sales. Next time the situation arises, I will refer my friend.

Dec 27, 2008 07:52 AM
Sharon Simms
Coastal Properties Group International - Christie's International - Saint Petersburg, FL
St. Petersburg FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS

Jeanine - it's always a good idea to have experts you can call on.

Dec 27, 2008 09:48 AM