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How To Measure a Condo For An Appraisal

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Real Estate Appraiser with Michael S. Bolton,Inc.

Measuring a condominium for an appraisal is fairly simple and easy to do, that is unless you have a grain silo that's been turned into condominiums. I appraised one of these units a few years ago, which was quite the challenge due to the round walls. For this example I think we'll stick to the traditional squared walls. There are two things to keep in mind that are different from single family housing.

First, is that the gross living area (GLA) is measured from the inside of the walls, not the outside like single family. Second, some condos can have fairly large utility rooms that aren't usable living space and shouldn't be counted.

However, it can be very difficult to ascertain as to whether the similar comparable sales listed in the MLS used the utility space or not. If the real estate agents that listed the homes on the MLS didn't subtract out the utility space, then y0u're going to have to include it in your calculation. This is what Fannie Mae expects you to do, see below.

The key to remember is consistency, if everyone within the real estate industry is using the same measuring standard, then the data will only be that much better and credible.

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Morgan Evans
Douglas Elliman Real Estate - Manhattan, NY
LICENSED REAL ESTATE SALESPERSON

Square footage is a very tricky subject to tackle as you have talked about.  How people measure and using the same standard are issues that come up all the time.

Mar 21, 2012 08:30 AM
Michael Hobbs
PahRoo Appraisal & Consultancy - Chicago, IL
SRA, LEED GA, RAA

Mike,

great post...high quality photo too...so easy to overlook important actions we take on every assignment.  Nice job.

Mar 21, 2012 08:44 AM
Paul McFadden
Responsive Pest Control - Seattle, WA
Pest Control, Seattle, WA.

Michael: This is very interesting. Thanks for educating me! Have a great day!

Mar 21, 2012 08:50 AM
Cindy Edwards
RE/MAX Checkmate - Johnson City, TN
CRS, GRI, PMN - Northeast Tennessee 423-677-6677

Hi Michael,

This is a great post.  I am spending a lot of my marketing time explaining condos to Joe Buyer.  This is a piece I will share.  Thanks

Mar 21, 2012 11:08 AM
Brian Madigan
RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage (Toronto) - Toronto, ON
LL.B., Broker

While I may agee that utility space not be counted, I'm sure that they usually are in Toronto.

I think that the correct approach is precisely what you state.

Mar 21, 2012 11:26 AM
Lloyd Binen
Certified Realty Services - Saratoga, CA
Silicon Valley Realtor since 1976; 408-373-4411

Michael, Converting a grain silo into Condos?  Now that's creative.  Most agents out here, including myself, simple use the county records for sq. ft.  Less liability.  The county records include all heated areas, including an indoor laundry room, as far as I know.

Mar 21, 2012 01:05 PM
Rob Ernst
Certified Structure Inspector - Reno, NV
Reno, NV-775-410-4286 Inspector & Energy Auditor

While doing energy audits we measure the square footage and volume. The measurement is taken on the outside. I can see why you would need to measure on the inside. I think a circle room is 3.14xRadius2.

Mar 21, 2012 01:10 PM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Interesting information.  I didn't know this.  Might just keep this for future reference.

Mar 21, 2012 08:27 PM
Jesse Skolkin
Independent New York State Certified Real Estate Appraiser - Fresh Meadows, NY

The national standard for measuring single family homes is the ANSI Z765-2003 Square Footage method.  While this method may not be 100% useful for condos, many of the definitions of open areas, ceiling height requirements, above and below grade areas, etc. may be useful.

You can purchase a copy (which is fairly inexpensive) at the following link:

 

http://www.nahbrc.com/bookstore/bd1003w.aspx

 

 

Mar 21, 2012 08:49 PM
Michael S. Bolton
Michael S. Bolton,Inc. - Zimmerman, MN
MN Appraiser

Hi Morgan~It would be a perfect world if we could all be on the same page when it comes to measuring homes.

Thanks Michael!

You're welcome Paul!

Thanks for sharing Cindy, very much appreciated!

Hi Brian, The important thing for Fannie Mae is consistency!

Lloyd~What if the public records are incorrect? I would think the real estate agents are still responsible for the information they put on the MLS.

Hi Rob, The challenge for measuring the grain silo condo, was the walls inside, you weren't able to get a good measurement of the diameter, it was a real challenge.

Thanks for stopping by Gabe.

Hi Jesse~You're absolutely right, I think everyone should have a copy of the ANSI guidelines, I have a previous blog discussing the 5' rule for 1 1/2 story homes. Thanks for your input, much appreciated.

Link to Fannie Mae and the 5' rule.

Mar 21, 2012 09:16 PM
Cheryl Ritchie
RE/MAX Leading Edge www.GoldenResults.com - Huntingtown, MD
Southern Maryland 301-980-7566
There are not many condos here but that is a great tip to remember about deducting or adding the utility room.
Mar 21, 2012 09:18 PM
Pat Mistretta
PalmerHouse Properties & Associates - Atlanta, GA
Atlanta Lofts and City Living

We have a lot of condos here in Atlanta and up until recently we were not allowed to quote any square footage information.  However, they have changed that and we can now use it and designate it's source, which is usually from the tax records.  Great info and thanks for sharing!

Mar 21, 2012 09:26 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

HA!  A perfect example of what I would refer to as "above my pay grade".

Mar 21, 2012 09:27 PM
Richard Weisser
Richard Weisser Realty - Newnan, GA
Richard Weisser Retired Real Estate Professional

I have never understood the obsession with square footage, because it has almost nothing to do with the livability of the space.

Mar 21, 2012 10:25 PM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Michael, I find it interesting that common walls are not taken into consideration when measuring a unit. Then again commercial space is measured differently in accordance with the BOMA Standard. Good information.

Mar 21, 2012 10:44 PM
Michael S. Bolton
Michael S. Bolton,Inc. - Zimmerman, MN
MN Appraiser

Hi Cheryl, Thanks!

Hi Pat, I'm surprised to hear that many real estate agents are getting the square footage from the county records.

Lenn, Ya, right!

Hi Richard, I think would agree that there is a direct correlation between living in a 1000 SF home compared to a 2000 SF home, and not to mention the cost difference bewteen the two. Thanks for the comment.

Hi Michael, The big thing with condos, as I'm sure you're aware of, is that you only own the rights to the interior space.

 

Make it an AWESOME day!

Mar 21, 2012 11:54 PM
Linda Holloway
Keller Williams Realty Tampa Central - Tampa, FL
REALTORĀ®, Your Next Home in Tampa Bay Starts Here!

Hi Michael, I can only imagine how challenging it would be to do an appraisal for a condo that was once a grain silo.  Wow!  Thanks for this great information and Congratulations on another feature!

Mar 22, 2012 12:03 PM
Lloyd Binen
Certified Realty Services - Saratoga, CA
Silicon Valley Realtor since 1976; 408-373-4411

Michael, the source of the Sq. Ft. info is included in the MLS.  Either Seller, County records, Paid vendor like you guys, or the agent.  We don't need to verify county records, but if there was a discrepancy that was obvious, we Realtors would probably be liable. But I'm not sure how "obvious" is defined.  If an owner disputes the county records and thinks their home is a larger than county records says, I'll tape it.  I have a 100' tape in my trunk.  The county is usually right.

Mar 22, 2012 01:21 PM
Michael Hobbs
PahRoo Appraisal & Consultancy - Chicago, IL
SRA, LEED GA, RAA

Michael, you should teach others how to make great graphics...I sure know that I need help!

Mar 23, 2012 01:19 PM
Michael S. Bolton
Michael S. Bolton,Inc. - Zimmerman, MN
MN Appraiser

Linda~I'd give anything to be able to do another appraisal within that complex, it would make for great blogging material. Thanks!

Lloyd~Well it's good to know that at least you carry a tape with you and you know where it's at. :)

Thanks Michael! Just shoot me an email, or a phone call, and I'll help you anyway I can.

Make it an AWESOME day!

Mar 23, 2012 01:23 PM