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Hey! Who Put That Pig Farm There?

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Real Estate Agent with eXp Realty of California, Inc. CA DRE #01490977

Hey! Who Put That Pig Farm There?

 

It’s all about location…so they say.

 

But sometimes the location comes with, well, what some folks feel are annoyances that shouldn't be there.

 

PigWe lived in Bolton MA a number of years ago, a fairly affluent and somewhat rural community along the 495 corridor about 30 miles west of Boston. Definitely a “bedroom community” as the term goes. [photo courtesy of wattpublishing on Flickr].

 

Some of the more rural areas were being developed with expensive, custom-built homes on large lots as the town was growing during the DotCom craze of the mid to late 1990s and there was quite some brouhaha about a pig farm in one of these upscale neighborhoods.

 

Seems that on warm, and windy, days the owners of these expensive custom-built homes no longer had to guess a pig farm was in the area.

 

Of course the pig farm had been there for years, and everyone knew it, plus it was disclosed to the folks buying these newly built “yuppie” homes. They bought anyway.

 

But that didn’t stop folks from complaining, and filing lawsuits to try to get the pig farm shut down, or at least having the pigs excommunicated.

 

It didn’t work. As many of the townspeople said…the pigs were there first. But it made for great scandalous reading in the local paper for ages, and lots of gossip in this small town.

 

The pigs remind me of the occasional media-worthy griping in pricey La Jolla about Black’s Beach.

 

Black's Beach in La Jolla CA below the Torrey Pines Hang GliderportIt’s not uncommon for some homeowners in the pricey residential area on the bluff to complain that the beach far below, in part, is a nude beach. 

 

Guess when you spend upwards of 8 digits to live on a cliff overlooking the ocean you don’t want to be troubled by some naked people running around on the beach a hundred feet below.  [the view in the photo is from the Torrey Pines Hang Gliderport]

 

Black’s Beach, like the pig farm, has been that way for many years although there are attempts to alter it. And pretty much everyone knows about this famous Southern California beach.

 

Not sure it’s a mandatory disclosable item, though, but probably not a bad thing to share, just in case. Clearly some buyers have an issue with the beach.

 

As a buyer it pays to do your due diligence in the event there is something in the area that you might find offensive – an industrial park, a mall, a group home (a big controversy in the Bressi Ranch master planned community in Carlsbad), railroad tracks and so on. You may not be able to just make them go away, and after the fact, well, it’s too late.

 

And as an agent, what do YOU disclose?

 

And good stories in YOUR area?


Some other things to consider in our area - flight paths for Palomar Airport Road, surfers parking in residential areas (noise, changing clothes by the side of the road)

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Anne M. Costello
Weidel Realtors - Yardley, PA

Jeff: Discose, disclose duclose. Second thought, I'd rather have a nude beach 100 feet down than surfers changing at street level, towel or no towel. LOL. The mushroom farms in Chester County are quite fragrant and those expensive homes in the area make me chuckle.

Apr 07, 2012 04:40 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

BLiz - yep, we have seen this sort of thing, too, with vacant land that is zone commercial. There is a big debate right now, in fact in 2 areas adjacent to residential.

Jay - I'm not surprised to hear that. I expect it happens here, too. Banning alcohol and cigarettes has been a hot topic, but that's another issue.

Jeff

Apr 07, 2012 05:23 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

I know I'm dating myself a bit when I relate this, but back when I worked at a Savings and Loan (remember those??) in the mid-70's ... it was customary for realtors to suggest to potential buyers to drive the area in which they were looking at homes.  Educate themselves about the lie of the land ... and what else called the area "home".  Not a bad idea.  And although disclosures are probably a wise idea in many instances, should they really relieve home buyers of all responsibility to educate themselves?  Pig farms, future developments, and Comprehensive Planning Commissions typically reveal much or aren't in hiding.  A little research can do wonders ... 

Gene

Apr 07, 2012 05:55 AM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

We had a similar situation happen in a mostly rural area of El Dorado County.  There were a number of wonderful custom homes built on 2.5 acre parcels on the gently slopping hill on one side of the road.  But quickly thereafter, a small chicken farm on the other side underwent a huge expansion.  The smell in the area on certain breezy warm summer days was unbelievable!

Apr 07, 2012 06:31 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Cheryl - nope there are 2 pretty well known ones in San Diego County, Black's Beach and San Onofre State, at the north end just south of San Clemente

Michael - same issue here in Cardiff - homes on the hill above with great views until you look down

Charlie - another great example. Some things are pretty obvious but others might not be. While we have a duty to disclose, buyers still have an obligation to do their due diligence.

Jeff

Apr 07, 2012 07:36 AM
Dr. Paula McDonald
Beam & Branch Realty - Granbury, TX
Granbury, TX 936-203-0279

Funny blog Jeff.......another good reason to have a Realtor helping you find your home.  You never know what may be lurking "behind the trees" and if you get a good Realtor that has done their due diligence and they save you potential annoyance or even heartbreak that commission was money well spent!!

Apr 07, 2012 07:49 AM
Margaret Goss
@Properties - Winnetka, IL
Chicago's North Shore & Winnetka Real Estate

I have a new client who lives on a very busy residential corner.  She never knew it was busy because she and her husband only saw it on weekends and were moving from a different area.  Weekdays, however, it's crazy because the high school is just down the road, hidden by the train overpass.  Their agent never said a word. 

Apr 07, 2012 08:14 AM
Eric Kodner
Wayzata Lakes Realty: Eric Kodner Sells Twin Cities Homes - Minnetonka, MN
Wayzata Lakes Realty: Twin Cities, Madeline Island

Who put that pig farm there?

The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind.

Apr 07, 2012 08:44 AM
Lynda Eisenmann
Preferred Home Brokers - Brea, CA
Broker Associate ,CRS,GRI,SRES, Brea,CA, Orange Co

Hi Jeff,

What a great report on beautiful Rancho Santa Fe and it looks like there's been a lot activity. Sort of surprising at the high number of all cash buyers, (in our office it tracks about 22%)  but then again maybe not when you look at today's rates for cash on deposit.

Apr 07, 2012 09:16 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices

Jeff,

Positively, I would not mind nudist beach here, as it is difficult to compete with a pig farm and not to lose. The stench is difficutl to cope with, and nudist do not smell. ;-)

Apr 07, 2012 09:56 AM
Janis Borgueta
Newburgh, NY
Retired RE Salesperson

we can disclose only a certain amount of things. We can also tell clients many things., and that does not mean they listen. They need to process things themselves. We don't have a crystal ball about what might happen down the road. Pigs.. well we know they are going to smell.. Nude bathers.. I don't know that i would disclose that.. I think that there would be many that would move there just cuz there were nude bathers. LOL

Apr 07, 2012 11:23 AM
Chuck Carstensen
RE/MAX Results - Elk River, MN
Minnesota/Wisconsin Real Estate Expert

I showed a foreclosed probably on 60 acres yesterday and the pigs were still fenced on the property. I guess they have something worked out to let them stay there for awhile...different story but goes with your theme.

Apr 07, 2012 11:28 AM
Jim Patton
Aspire Home Real Estate 209-404-0816 - Modesto, CA
Realtor - Stanislaus ,Merced, San Joaquin Counties

Jeff it is always better to over disclose.  In our area we still have a lot of agricultural properties and the dust, noise and smells that go with them.   It always amazes me when people buy homes near a dairy and then later try to shut the dairy down because of the smell and flies, but it happens.

Apr 07, 2012 12:00 PM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Cheryl - and then imagine sewage treatment plants, dairy farms, chicken farms, llama and ostrich farms (yep, here in So Cal).

Richie - that would be one way to cope with it

Elizabeth - good advice for all

Maria - well in this case they are so far away it really doesn't matter unless you are using binoculars or a telescope. And then there are other issues. LOL

Jeff

Apr 07, 2012 12:14 PM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

Jeff -- what has to be disclosed depends on each state.  In NH, we only have to disclose what is on the site... and not things off site.. that is for the buyer to do their due diligence. 

Apr 07, 2012 12:47 PM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

Jeff - A brewing company moved in under our offices about 15 years ago.  Then about 10 years later, expensive condos that had been built nearby after the brew co. had been there in a few years, the condo owners began to complain about its existence and the noise.  Go figure!

Apr 07, 2012 04:04 PM
Iris Stuart
none - Santa Rosa, CA

I lived in an area where an owner got mad because the county wouldn't allow them to develop their property so they sprayed pig manure just as the weather heated up each year.  For a week or two you could smell the stench at least 7 miles away...

Apr 07, 2012 04:27 PM
Steve Davis
Davis Coastal Properties - Carlsbad, CA
Carlsbad CA

How much do you disclose as a real estate agent? Are we responsible to discover all group homes within 1/4 mile - 1/2 mile? How about the neighbor who leaves for work every night at midnight and drives a diesel pickup - could and should the real estate agent know that? Comes back to the issue that Property ID has in California - how far from the home being purchased do you disclose?

Apr 07, 2012 11:56 PM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Gretchen - I guess the question is whether it is something that needs to be disclosed. Certainly buyers from out of the area would not be aware. But how far are we expected to go?

Sally - ha ha. And on a warm day...

Evelyn - I don't know for a fact but my guess is this IS something agents selling those high end homes do. I suspect there are people who buy, knowing this, but still complain.

Jeff

Apr 08, 2012 01:38 AM
Dave Halpern
Dave Halpern Real Estate Agent, Inc., Louisville, KY (502) 664-7827 - Louisville, KY
Louisville Short Sale Expert

Disclose everything. We have chemical plants in a certain area of Louisville. When you drive by, you know it. People buy there anyway.

Jun 24, 2012 09:02 PM