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Stop Poaching My Buyers - A Series on the NAR Code of Ethics (Part Eight)

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Real Estate Agent with Keller Williams Elite RM423455

In the last post we discovered it is ethically wrong to take action inconsistent with exclusive agency relationships. In Pennsylvania, to establish an exclusive agency relationship, it must be in writing.

Now we are going to probe article 16 of the National Association of Realtors Code of Ethics a bit more. In the second situation:

Agent Jim and Agent Jane are both interviewed by Seller Sally. Seller Sally is selling her home at 123 Anywhere Street. She chooses Agent Jim to list her home. Agent Jane is frustrated she lost the listing and decides to call Seller Sally to ask her if she can represent her in the purchase of her next home. She explains her services and Seller Sally decides to use the services of Agent Jane in the purchase of her next home. When Agent Jim asks Seller Sally about seeing some homes she might like to purchase, Sally tells him she will be using the services of Agent Jane. Is Agent Jane guilty of an ethics violation?

Has agent Jane interfered in the exclusive agency relationship agent Jim has with Seller Sally. The answer is, “No.”

Standard of Practice 16-3

Article 16 does not preclude Realtors® from contacting the client of another broker for the purpose of offering to provide, or entering into a contract to provide, a different type of real estate service unrelated to the type of service currently being provided (e.g., property management as opposed to brokerage) or from offering the same type of service for property not subject to other brokers’ exclusive agreements. However, information received through a Multiple Listing Service or any other offer of cooperation may not be used to target clients of other Realtors® to whom such offers to provide, or other form of contractual agreement between the listing broker and the client, the Realtor® may contact the owner to secure such services may be made. (Amended 1/04)


We see from the standard of practice that Jane was not prohibited from contacting Seller Sally for the purpose of providing a different type of service. If Buyer Sally had no written contract with Agent Jim, Jane had the right to solicit Sally to represent her as a buyer.

Stop Poaching My Buyers - A Series on the NAR Code of Ethics (Part One)
Stop Poaching my Buyers - A Series on the NAR Code of Ethics (Part Two)
Stop Poaching My Buyers - A Series on the NAR Code of Ethics (Part Three)
Stop Poaching My Buyers - A Series on the NAR Code of Ethics (Part Four)
Stop Poaching my Buyers - A Series on the NAR Code of Ethics (Part Five)
Stop Poaching My Buyers - A Series on the NAR Code of Ethics (Part Six)
Stop Poaching My Buyers - A Series on the NAR Code of Ethics (Part Seven)


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Michael J. Perry
KW Elite - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster, PA Relo Specialist

Don't forget 16-9,16-14 and 16-16 . These are articles that EVERY practioner should clearly know !!!

Apr 07, 2012 12:42 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

These are must knows and practices and always welcomed for discussion. These rules work when you work them. thank you

Apr 07, 2012 01:15 AM
Andrew Mooers | 207.532.6573
MOOERS REALTY - Houlton, ME
Northern Maine Real Estate-Aroostook County Broker

Have enjoyed this series! Thanks for the hard work!

Apr 07, 2012 01:44 AM
Brenda Mullen
RE/MAX Associates - San Antonio, TX
Your San Antonio TX Real Estate Agent!!

Great series Cal..I am going to have to go back and read all of them :)!  Although it is not an ethical violation, one may think it's untasteful...but oh well.  If Jim hadn't had the discussion with the seller first, he just lost out.  

Apr 07, 2012 02:09 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Most of all, I think agents tend to get too worked up with a holy-than-thou attitude, which often is a compensating factor for lack of performance. I'd like to say, hey, put your nose to the grindstone, go back to work and stop whining about who is stealing whose client. People can't be "stolen" anyway.

Apr 07, 2012 02:09 AM
Barbara Altieri
Better Homes and Gardens RE Shore and Country Properties - Shelton, CT
REALTOR-Fairfield County CT Homes/Condos For Sale

Cal -- I have just bookmarked this to read when I have more time. Thanks for breaking this down. I am (somewhat)in this position now. With a divorcing couple, the wife wanted me to list their house and he wanted his friend. Well, the husband won out.  The wife had originally contacted me for help in finding a new place to live. So she stays in contact with me and is waiting for the house to be sold so she can work with me to find a new home.  I, however, would not have solicited her even though the CoE says I can.

Apr 07, 2012 03:06 AM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

Cal:

You are doing a great service to agents by discussing the Code of Ethics and each part of it.  When we take the annual ethics class we familiarize ourselves with the Code, then we forget it.  We need to know it inside and out and its interpretations.

Apr 07, 2012 03:47 AM
Cal Yoder
Keller Williams Elite - Lititz, PA
Homes For Sale in Lancaster PA - 717.413.0744

Many of you are doing a great job highlighting the difference between your business practice and an ethics violation. Some of the things that are ethical may not be in good taste in the long run. Glad to hear from you.

Mike, you are gonna make my series longer and longer. Maybe I can get you, the master teacher, to be guest contributor. Especially since you are always behind me 110%.

Elizabeth, I tend to agree with you. I have grown thicker skin and getting better at saying, "Next." It is the only way to end of thriving in this business.

One of the scary things for me in writing this series is I feel like a novice and am sure I am gonna miss something or actually get it wrong. But in the end, I think I will learn more by just writing it. I suggest it for everyone.

Cal

Apr 07, 2012 05:24 AM
Bill Gillhespy
16 Sunview Blvd - Fort Myers Beach, FL
Fort Myers Beach Realtor, Fort Myers Beach Agent - Homes & Condos

Hi Cal,  I always enjoy this kind of ethics review.  Sort of like a mini refresher class for license renewal !   Have a terrific Easter !

Apr 07, 2012 06:00 AM
Cal Yoder
Keller Williams Elite - Lititz, PA
Homes For Sale in Lancaster PA - 717.413.0744

Thanks Erica. I am sure I can learn quite a bit from you.

Bill, glad you enjoy it and I hope you also have a great Easter.

Cal

Apr 07, 2012 06:10 AM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

Cal - I think this is good information to review, and it makes sense though people may not like it.

Apr 07, 2012 06:10 AM
Lorraine or Loretta Kratz
Crescent Moon Realty, Inc. & Land N Sea Auctions. - San Marcos, CA
Certified Negotiation Consultants

Cal:

As in many things that go on in real estate, one needs to be sure to dot the I's and cross the T's, or be "sorry". Agent Jane, really was thinking, about being a good CEO of her business.

Apr 07, 2012 06:14 AM
Dave Halpern
Dave Halpern Real Estate Agent, Inc., Louisville, KY (502) 664-7827 - Louisville, KY
Louisville Short Sale Expert

True pros do not have the problem of others poaching their clients. Clients and potential clients know immediately that they want and need you. Clients recognize that going elsewhere would be considered a risk to them and a downgrade of service.

I have clients call me wanting to dump their Realtor and hire me. I proceed with extreme caution and have them sign a form that (1) I did not solicit them, (2) they contacted me, (3) that I did not encourage them to cancel their existing listing with their current Realtor.

Apr 07, 2012 06:57 AM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

Cal, important details to know before jumping to conclusions accusing an agent of poaching, a very serious crime in our business. lol

Apr 07, 2012 07:49 AM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

That's an interesting scenario..and in a lab setting, a great one for conversation. But in reality, it would be a true slap in the face for the listing agent, and while not an ethical violation (as you show), certainly makes for an ackward situation. 

Apr 07, 2012 08:31 AM
Eric Michael
Remerica Integrity, Realtors®, Northville, MI - Livonia, MI
Metro Detroit Real Estate Professional 734.564.1519

I've only recently learned that I can approach a seller who has their house on the market with another agent about being their buyers agent. I used to think a client was a client.

Apr 07, 2012 09:32 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

This is an interesting question, and one I really hadn't thought about one way or the other.  It is good to have this information so we all know what is ok and what is prohibited

Apr 07, 2012 12:32 PM
Sharon Alters
Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - 904-673-2308 - Fleming Island, FL
Realtor - Homes for Sale Fleming Island FL

Cal, I was going to say something similar to what Karen said. Ethical or not, don't think for a minute that the listing agent is going to be happy with an agent who does this, and word will get around to other agents. I think they would think that it was 'poaching' whether it was ethically or not.

Sharon

Apr 07, 2012 12:38 PM
Brian Park
Danville, CA

I think the code of ethics is totally wrong. It tries to extend relationships beyond what the client intended, and is unaware of, and agents use this supposed ethics code in an attempt restrict competition for their benefit not the clients benefit.

Some of our code of ethics needs to be disclosed to the client and authorized by them, or rewritten, but that isn't going to happen. Our failure to inform our clients of certain facts and the effects it has on them is a ethics violation based on common sense and they are intended to give rights to listing agents they are not entitled to without their clients permission and knowledge.

Apr 10, 2012 04:19 AM
Cal Yoder
Keller Williams Elite - Lititz, PA
Homes For Sale in Lancaster PA - 717.413.0744

Brian, thanks for your thoughts. I am not sure I understand what you are talking about. Are you talking about this one specifically or another section.

Cal

Apr 10, 2012 06:39 AM