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Improper Shingle Nailing = Defective Roof Installation

By
Home Inspector with Structure Tech Home Inspections

One of the most common defects I find with asphalt shingles is improper nailing.  The manufacturers of asphalt shingles give specific instructions on how to fasten shingles, and they're all pretty much the same.  Unfortunately, following those instructions seems to be a difficult thing to do for a lot of roofers in Minnesota.  The two most common nailing defects that I find with shingles are overdriven nails and improperly located nails.

Overdriven Nails

Most roofers use pneumatic nail guns to nail down shingles.  When the pressure is set too high, the nails get driven in to the shingles too far, plain and simple.  When the nails are overdriven, the heads of the nails punch right through the mat of the shingle.  This voids the shingle manufacturers warranty and greatly increases the potential for shingles to come loose and blow off, possibly in sheets.

The diagram below shows what proper and improperly driven nails look like.

Shingle Nailing Diagram

The photos below show several examples of overdriven nails.

Overdriven Nails 1

Overdriven Nails 2

Overdriven Nails 3

Overdriven Nails 4

Overdriven Nails 5

Improperly Located Nails

The other most common nailing defect that I find with asphalt shingles is improperly located nails; specifically, high nails.  When shingles are located too low on a shingle, it's an obvious defect that anyone with a good eye can usually spot from the ground.  This is probably why I don't find this defect all that often; it's just too obvious of a defect for most roofers to leave uncovered.

Low Nail

The more common and problematic nailing problem is to have nails located too high on the shingle.  There is a fairly narrow strip on every shingle where it's acceptable to place the nail.  When properly placed, the nail will actually catch the top edge of the shingle below it.  When nails are located too high on the shingle, they never catch the shingle below, which effectively cuts the amount of nails going in to each shingle in half.  Hopefully my diagram below will help to illustrate this; the blue dots are supposed to be nail heads.

High Nail Diagram

The photos below show examples of high nailing.  Yes, I know what I did there.

High Nail 1

High Nail 2

When shingles are improperly fastened, they have a tendency to slide and rip out of the nails holes, and this won't be covered by the manufacturers warranty.  When the entire roof covering is installed like this, there is no simple fix.  Either the new buyers need to accept the fact that their roof will be prone to having shingles blow off, or the roof covering will need to be repaired or replaced.

Shingles Delivered on top of brand new roof

These installation defects can't be seen from the ground, even with a very expensive pair of binoculars.  For this reason, you shouldn't expect most municipal inspectors to identify these issues; it's outside the scope of their inspection.  I wrote about this topic here - Who Inspected Your Roof?  If you want a thorough roof inspection, you would do well to hire a home inspector who can will access the roof.

Kathryn Maguire
GreatNorfolkHomes.com (757) 560-0881 - Chesapeake, VA
Serving Chesapeake, Norfolk, VA Beach

This is a great post....and makes me think about the few times when my buyers have used an inspector who does not walk the roof.

Apr 30, 2012 11:09 PM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

I  have seen this...Some of those nails that are put in improperly cause problems (leaks) down the line

Apr 30, 2012 11:40 PM
Steve Stenros
Poway,La Jolla,Del Mar,Mira Mesa,Carlsbad,Escondido,Temecula - San Diego, CA
CREIA MCI, ICC, ACI Home Inspector,San Diego

Well done, Reuben.  If an Inspector does not walk the roof, he is not really inspecting it, just going through the motions.  Of course, there are exceptions in the case of some roofs where specialized equipment may be needed to safely access it.

May 01, 2012 12:02 AM
Rob Ernst
Certified Structure Inspector - Reno, NV
Reno, NV-775-410-4286 Inspector & Energy Auditor

Looks familiar to me an obviously the other inspectors. These are common installation problems but the roofers that come out and evaluate after the report often brush it off, possibly because they all do it.

May 01, 2012 01:00 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Reuben, very well done post.  I think it can be more difficult to "properly" nail shingles with a nail gun than it is worth.  Gun settings, user error, and just plain being in too much of a hurry can make for a very expensive roof if the whole thing has to be done a second time.  I do a random check of the nailing---but only on shingles that are easily lifted up.  If the tabs are really stuck down some of these defects are going to be under-reported unfortunately.

May 01, 2012 02:43 AM
Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

Reuben  -- as others have mentioned, this goes back to the "get it done quick" school of roofing, rather than "get it done right" group of roofers.   The latter also seem to remember to remove the plastic strip from the tar.

May 01, 2012 05:34 AM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

Reuben:

Such a great article about nail placement on roofs.  I am going to make a copy and keep it so I can show my clients the right and wrong way to apply a roof.

May 01, 2012 07:11 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Reuben,

They must use the same roofers in Minny as they do here ; ) Another thing I see with the pneumatic is if the compressor is not large enough (or a good one) to run the guns correctly so they crank them up to get more shots before recharge and then you see over driven nails in the beginning then proud nails at the end of the cycle.

I see a lot of shingle blown off in the spring and fall from poor nailing practices. 

May 01, 2012 07:56 AM
Robert L. Brown
www.mrbrownsellsgr.com - Grand Rapids, MI
Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Mic

I'll go with what you say. I've seen enough shingles blown off here in Michigan.

May 01, 2012 09:38 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Donald R - usually overdriving a nail by 1/8" is no big deal :)

Peggy - thanks for reading!

Joan - thanks.

Michael - you got it.  There's just way too much stuff that can be missing from the ground.

Kathryn - you gotta wonder what they're not seeing. 

May 01, 2012 11:21 AM
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

Another do-it-yourselfer job using way to much prssure with the nail gun.

May 01, 2012 11:27 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Richie - especially underdriven and low nails.

Steve - I have the same take.  You're right, not all roofs can be safely walked, but the ones that can't seem to be few and far between.

Rob - I know of a great home inspector who serves on some kind of roof advisory council.  I've had him go in after the fact when roofers claim this stuff doesn't matter; in those cases, the roofers usually end up having to do full tear-offs; they can't argue with him :)

Charles - thanks.  Someone left a comment on another site that I published this post at, and it made me think of you:  If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times -- the worst thing to ever happen to the construction industry was the invention of the pneumatic nail gun!  

You're right about spot checks, of course, and I take the same approach as you.  If the tabs are stuck down, I can't check this stuff.  I don't break the seals to figure this stuff out.  I usually find these issues on the north sides of newly installed roofs.

Steven - yep, definitely an issue of just not taking the time to do it right.


May 01, 2012 11:28 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Evelyn - much appreciated.

Donald H - yes, I'm sure it's the same crew doing the work ;).  I'm sure you're right about the reasoning for too high of pressure.

Robert - I'm sure you have.

William - most of these are professional roofing crews, believe it or not.

May 01, 2012 11:31 AM
Jim Patton
Aspire Home Real Estate 209-404-0816 - Modesto, CA
Realtor - Stanislaus ,Merced, San Joaquin Counties

Reuben - Good post.  I learned something new today.  Thanks for sharing.

May 01, 2012 02:21 PM
Curtis Van Carter
Better Homes & Gardens Wine Country Group - Yountville, CA
Your Napa Valley Broker Extraordinaire

Reuben

Just thought I would let you know I found this through a repost by Chris Smith. Amazing how something so simple if done incorrectly can be such a huge hassle. cheers cvc

May 02, 2012 04:37 AM
Teri Eckholm
Boardman Realty - White Bear Lake, MN
REALTOR Serving Mpls/St Paul North & East Metro

Reuben--Your posts are very informative. Do you work all over the Twin Cities metro...Ever go north and east?

May 03, 2012 11:07 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Jim - thanks!

Curtis - it's really easy to mess up a roof, isn't it?

Teri - thanks.  Yes, I definitely work all over the metro area... even as far as WBL :)

May 04, 2012 11:18 AM
Anonymous
paul

The contactor who did my mom's roof was suppose to use 6 nails per Timberline shingle.  He used 5 with a gap of 16-21 inches beteen the 4 th. and 5 th. nail.  the self sealing tabs have melted down is there anyway to add additional nails to this entire roof without distroying it?

Jul 15, 2012 01:11 PM
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Anonymous
Touchdown Tom
I purchased a brand new custom home 2.5 years ago by a company that builds a couple at a time. We experienced 50 mph winds one day and about a 1/4 of the roof, in various spots, came off. Insurance and an engineer came in and stated that the roof was improperly installed. Well, yeah, we were the only house impacted by the winds. The house came with a 1 year warrantee. Will cost me about 15K to replace. Repairs are I don't feel will resolve the issue and I will be paying another deductible next windy day. Thoughts? Do I have any leg to stand on? The tiles are good quality - better than most in the area so I cant go there. It is the installer - again one year warrantee.
Feb 13, 2014 09:27 PM
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Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

@Touchdown Tom - those are good questions for an attorney.

Feb 14, 2014 08:14 PM