Shame on You for Crossing That LINE!

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Real Estate Agent with Liberty Homes RS-#62825

I recently had a call from a Real Estate Agent from anther state who said his fiancé wanted to sell her townhouse in Hawaii. Would I mind going to preview the property?  Sure, give me her phone number and I’ll make an appointment.   

He then starts getting into the price, commission and so forth and while I’m ‘listening’ I’m pulling up the property only to discover his fiancé is still on title with her ‘ex husband’.  I let him know I would be contacting her to make an appointment.

Fast forward a couple of hours. After taking my Sunday morning to whip up a packet for the potential seller I arrive at the property. The usual viewing, snapping a few photos (for an obviously hurriedly staged home for the ‘occasion’) and sit down to discuss everything from marketing to pricing.

And then….here it comes….”I have to speak to my fiancé” first. The phone call and then ...can I call him back because her phone battery is dying.

Hmmmm.  This ought to be fun.

This Real Estate "agent" from another state believes:

  • That the market is the same everywhere
  • That he can bully me into negotiating with him (and not the seller)
  • That my brokerage needs to lower the commission because…. ‘they’ need to save as much money as possible.
  • That "they" can pay a buyer agent and list it FSBO (what is this "they" thing?)
  • That the property his fiancé owns is worth more than the market.
  • That ‘they’ plan on buying another property here in the near future. (uh huh)
  • That he has a 3 million dollar property on the market right now. (so then why is her property a "they" thing? lol)

My response?

  •  I will not talk with you because I do not have the authorization from the MR. on title
  • You are not the seller and I will not negotiate with you.
  • You surely do not understand Hawaii Real Estate Laws and Contracts.
  • I will not discuss commission or pricing of the home with you. 
  • In fact, I need WRITTEN authorization from the MR. and your fiancé to talk to you AFTER they have sat down to discuss terms.
  • Sell it FSBO?   GOOD LUCK! 

What happens when someone who does mortgages, obtains a real estate license (just because), flips houses and a 'jack of all trades' meets up with a by the book, detailed agent who never crosses over that line?  

                   You get straight up answers. 

                 Bottom line, SHAME ON YOU!

 

 

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Celeste "Sally" Cheeseman  is a Realtor-Associate® and Certified Residential Specialist (CRS) with Century 21 Liberty Homes in Mililani, Hawaii. With a sharp understanding that a listening ear is the key to a client's needs  she serves the island of Oahu (Honolulu County) and all Hawaii Military Relocations, Hawaii Retirees, Hawaii Job Transfers and Hawaii Residents, Home Buyers and Sellers.

 

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Rainer
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Dimitri Matsis-REALTOR® (818) 599-6083
Troop Real Estate Inc. Westlake Village CA - West Hills, CA

Hi Celeste,

A couple going thru a separation/divorce is no cake walk for the listing agent. Now, add the “know it all” out of state boyfriend/Realtor® and you have a recipe for disaster!

Obviously you did the right thing!

May 04, 2012 05:15 AM #97
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Dave Kohl
First In Promotions - Chicago, IL
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Sometimes (although not always) you can call their bluff when the potential client wants to keep negotiating or issues ridiculous demands or excuses. Appear to be "negotiating" right back at them. A reply of "I can do that if I get both signatures by 5 PM today", for example. Or come back to the "I used to be....." routine by asking them if they "still have the (xyz) agreement forms? If you can create that for me by Noon tomorrow I'll review and we'll get it done". Start putting it back on them to make it look as though you want to help them and see where that goes.

 

You will either bust them (and not waste any more time), get them to see how much they are really demanding of you, or get them to actually do some of your work in return for a consideration on your part.

 

My belief is that it should never come down to the serious last stage before the problems hit. You need to know exactly who and what you are dealing with much sooner.

 

May 04, 2012 05:15 AM #98
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Dan Falco
Assist-2-Sell Buyers and Sellers Advantage - Newtown, PA
Assist 2 Sell Full Service Discount Broker

You go Girl!

May 04, 2012 05:44 AM #99
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Gail Robinson
William Raveis Real Estate - Southport, CT
CRS, GRI, e-PRO Fairfield County, CT

Sally - An agent called me with a referral, but then only gave me the name of the couple and not their phone number.  She said they would call me.  I never got a call, but saw the rental listing on MLS two days later.  When I informed the referring agent of this, she suggested I call the couple, "if my state laws allow."  I can't imagine any real estate agency laws allowing that AND she still never gave me their phone number.  We need a lot of qualified leads in this business so that we can throw fish like this and the big stinky one you had back into the sea.  This business is enjoyable if you have the luxury of picking and choosing your clients and don't have to chase after every lead.

May 04, 2012 09:41 AM #100
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Marshall Brown
Mid America Inspection Services, LLC - Fargo, ND
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This guy sounds like pond scum to me. Good for you for setting him straight.

May 04, 2012 12:04 PM #101
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Steven Pahl
Keller Williams Tampa Properties - Tampa, FL
Real Estate Consultant Tampa, FL 813-319-6423

Wondering if you checked to see if he really was a "currently" licensed agent or merely acting like one (a bad one at that)?

May 04, 2012 01:15 PM #102
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Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
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You know it sounds like these people have some real issues other than real estate - Is the the Hawaii Soap Opera?  When people have issues like those the tend to flow over into other aspects of their lives.

May 04, 2012 03:06 PM #103
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Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
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(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

#97 Eric:  HUH?  Yes, I did make an appointment with HER..the seller. The so called agent/fiance is in another state on the mainland (not in Hawaii)  Who said she was not present?   >>>>HE WAS NOT PRESENT.

 

Dimitri It's actually finalized...just the MR (ex) is still on title. 'Fiance/agent' is NOT.

 

May 04, 2012 03:36 PM #104
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#58 and #61  and #87 Please reread the story...I DID meet with the seller...but not the seller's EX.  Both of them are still on title.  

#99  Yeah....this was all done in a matter of 3 hours on my Sunday morning.  I prepared the packet...met with ONE of the sellers and a phone call with the Agent/Fiance whom I paid not much attention to...and left the appointment with not wasting much time thereafter.

103 Oh, I checked out www.arello.com and also 'consulted' with a fellow ActiveRain/Friend on the mainland and in the state the 'agent' is in and yes...holds a license but darn if this person isn't a flipper/investor/loan officer and you name it...he supposedly is it.

May 04, 2012 03:49 PM #105
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#90  Hey Beth!  NO KIDDING!  Now THAT is exactly what it was....and they pretend to know it all when it comes to real estate....especially in OUR SIDE OF TOWN....way across the Pacific and all.  LOL LOL  And yes, the market is pretty healthy....although in this guys' mind the boom is still going on for him lol lol

May 04, 2012 04:01 PM #106
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Peter Preston-Thomas
Real Ottawa - Kanata, ON

Great post, Sally.  If you can control the quality of your clients, you'll control your quality of life. 

It can be tough when working with extended family, an out-of-town "expert" or a non-title boyfriend/girlfriend.  This sounds like the perfect storm of all 3.

May 04, 2012 09:52 PM #107
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Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
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Hi Sally, what a story!  Too bad you had to give up your Sunday and go through all that work.

May 04, 2012 10:39 PM #108
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Lyn Sims
RE/MAX Suburban - Schaumburg, IL
Schaumburg Real Estate

Hmm, not even the owner & selling the fiance's property huh?

May 05, 2012 03:00 AM #109
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Doncha just love to say................................ NEXT!!

May 06, 2012 02:57 AM #110
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Marnie Matarese
DWELL REAL ESTATE - Sarasota, FL
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And your post leads right into the best question we can ever ask, although we rarely get the truth, "Are you the decision maker or is there someone else or an entire phonebook of people I need to deal with?"  Good for you for sticking to your guns.

May 09, 2012 06:19 AM #111
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Wayne B. Pruner
Oregon First - Tigard, OR
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Transaction that are problematic before they even start never get better. You were wise to pass.

May 11, 2012 03:51 AM #112
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Jason Sardi
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Sis - Those type of folks are the reason some of us age way too quickly.  But your response(s) are excellent and act as moisturizer to guard against these wrinkles in humanity and the Real Estate Industry specifically.

May 12, 2012 11:43 PM #113
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Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

lil bro:  You are so articulate in your writing that they would have to sit and think for awhile and still not get it.

May 14, 2012 01:28 AM #114
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Randy L. Prothero
eXp Realty - Mililani, HI
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It is always tough when a third party gets involved and they think they are an expert.  That would have been a nightmare transaction. Too many cooks in the kitchen.

May 30, 2012 06:46 AM #115
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Kasey & John Boles
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The strangest thing is that some of my worst clients have been real estate agents or people that have previously had an RE license but don't (for who knows what reason) anymore.  I try really hard not to get too involved in other people's situations if I am not representing them,because most of the time  you don't know the whole story, and certainly if it is in another market area you don't know much of anything at all :-) Kasey

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