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Is the Conservative-GOP Marriage Over?

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Real Estate Agent with Keller Williams Shore Properties 1005238

Pretty good opinion piece on Romney, the Republican Party and Conservatism by Craig Shirley who is an author and conservative public affairs consultant. He is best-known as the author of two critically praised bestselling books on Reagan. Though I think Shirley glosses over some of Reagan's shortcomings, he does make a compelling case that the Republican Party is not a "conservative" party they are simply a 'political' party and nothing more.

Excerpt:

"It should come as no surprise that the Republican National Committee has been “covertly” supporting Mitt Romney throughout the primaries, as POLITICO recently “revealed.” It was the worst-kept secret in Washington....

While conservatives have for more or less the past 48 years, chosen the Republican Party as the most convenient vehicle through which to seek elective office, the Republican Party has by no means adopted the conservative agenda as its governing philosophy.

The Republican Party exists to win elections, nothing more. The Republicans, since their 1856 founding, have supported high tariffs and low tariffs; high taxes and low taxes; isolationism and internationalism; states’ rights and big government; hard core on civil rights and murky on civil rights; against the League of Nations, for the United Nations; for an activist court, against an activist court; for balanced budgets and for deficit spending; nation-building and self-determination.

The Republicans have shifted with time to gain temporary political advantage, since their job — their chief obligation to supporters — is to be flexible, essentially standing for nothing over the long term."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/75958.html#ixzz1uHWOuOWk

 

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Charlie Ragonesi
AllMountainRealty.com - Big Canoe, GA
Homes - Big Canoe, Jasper, North Georgia Pros

Really the trouble is both parties exist to win elections. I do like the article. Maybe it is time, or past time, for a good thrid party chalenge. In my mind both parties have taken the voters too much for granted

May 07, 2012 11:03 PM
Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life

I'm all for a Third Party.  How about a Fiscally Conservative/Socially Liberal Party?  Not sure of what they could be named ... Jeet Kun Do of Politico ;)

May 08, 2012 01:00 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

I have wondered for quite some time just how a Third Party could work.  I would go for a party that was somewhere between between Fiscally Conservative/Moderate, and Socially Liberal.

I think being fully Fiscally Conservative is too much in the direction that the right now has it.  I believe you have to prime the pump at times, to make it work.  And yes, that means using the dreaded "S" word... Stimulus.

What I have thought is to take the right-most eighteen percent... and the left-most perhaps seven percent... and let them each have their own sandbox... or litter box, as the case may be.  Take the remaining seventy-five percent and start a Centrist Party... and see where it goes.

By the way... I used the 18% and 7% numbers, because I think there are more extremists on the right than on the left... although each end of the political spectrum definitely has those who are "over-the-edge."

I would also be curious as to what percentages each of you would put in those two categories... the extreme right or the extreme left.

May 08, 2012 02:19 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

If somehow there could be a Third Party:  Could anyone or everyone come up with some suggestions of perhaps five people... less if need be... who you would see running for President and Vice-President of this newly-formed Centrist Party ? 

Also, perhaps who would be the Majority Leader of this new Centrist Party in the Senate, and who would you have be the Speaker of the House ?

May 08, 2012 02:23 AM
Kevin A. Guttman-Author, ReverseMortgageSpecialist
NMLS #384936 - Colorado Springs, CO
877-251-9709

A 3rd party?

That would be interesting!

Maybe we would have more balance and ability to work together vs. the divisiveness we now have. 

May 08, 2012 02:28 AM
Satar Naghshineh
Satar - Amiri Property and Financial Services Corp. - Irvine, CA

It's like the establishment is losing control over it's subjects in both parties. I believe the majority of us are Liberterians and just don't know it. We want government to leave us alone and only take what it needs from us to protect us from other countries and other people.

 

May 08, 2012 05:24 AM
Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

Would love to see 3 or 4 parties in place that are actually electable.  Having only 2 choices just makes it the lesser of 2 evils most of the time. 

May 08, 2012 06:51 AM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn

Fiscally conservative and socially liberal. What a novel idea. Remember Bill Clinton? NY has had a few governors that fit that description from both parties. Our last two mayors were both liberal Republicans.

In his first year our new governor balanced the state budget with no new taxes or tax increases, passed sweeping pension reform and legalized gay marriage.

Just like real estate all politics is LOCAL.

May 08, 2012 10:03 AM
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

I would love to see a 3rd party.  It would be very hard to establish.  They would need a great idea for the people to grasp onto.  but one of the other two parties would grab it as soon as it became popular.  It has happened down through the ages.

May 08, 2012 11:19 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Third parties don't work.  It splits such that a winner does not need to win!  (A la Clinton, twice)

That said, Shirley is very late to this party.  Rush has been saying that for over a year.

May 08, 2012 08:22 PM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

Thanks for the comments.  I always wonder what people mean when they say "fiscally conservative" as if running a government within it's means is a 'conservative' idea.

But I guess a 'fiscal conservative' could mean, lowering taxes and getting rid of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Of course the problem with that is we'll have old people sleeping on park benches and dying in the gutter.

May 08, 2012 10:41 PM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Karl:  I never thought of it that way, but you are correct.  How about... "fiscally realistic ?" I also think that there can easily be times when the government must be run... outside it's means... by which I mean "borrowing."

And no... your description of "fiscally conservative"... is simply downright mean.  Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid should stay.

I would love to see just what impact removing the $100,600 ceiling, or whatever the ceiling is, on Social Security Withholding... and allow it to have no ceiling whatsoever.

May 09, 2012 03:20 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Jay... to the degree that a Third Party contributed to Clinton being elected, I am very thankful for that.  It is most unfortunate that Ron Paul did not run as a third party candidate in both 2000 and 2004.

May 09, 2012 03:23 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Hi Karen Anne!  I hope you are doing well.  Call me!

As to Clinton, I found him and still find him to be a cartoon.  And it's unfortunate.  He had a lot to offer, but was so very sophomoric it was/is embarrassing.  According to a friend of mine on the Secret Service, he was more juvenile than people realize!  Hillary sure did.  She was an enabler, and for sure still is.  It find it all very sad.  No sarcasm at all.  I really do.

May 09, 2012 09:50 AM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

I still blame Clinton for the election of George W. Bush.  Without the indiscretions with 'that woman' and the impeachment that followed, Gore would've easily won in 2000.

May 09, 2012 09:43 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Turns out Gore was a wolf in sheep's clothing!

People like that, in the public eye, and doing that sort of thing, are megalomaniacal and narcissistic beyond belief.

May 10, 2012 03:13 AM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn

Karl, I think Gore did win in 2000. Both the popular vote and the "chad" re-count in Florida. Bush was selected by "activist judges" not elected by the people.

 

May 11, 2012 12:41 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Jay... and Dick Cheney WASN'T megalomaniacal and narcissistic ?  Dick Cheney.  Still alive... still a criminal.

And Mitchell, the right complains about liberal "activist" judges.  You can't get much more "activist" than by forcing the "installation" of a President... as they did in 2000.  My heart aches when I think of all the horrible things that happened during the Cheney/Bush pResidency that may not have happened if Gore's election had not been derailed by the conservative activist Supreme Court Justices.  And hell... Clarence Thomas should never have been on the Court in the first place.

May 11, 2012 05:11 AM
Karl Hess
Keller Williams Shore Properties - Barnegat, NJ
on The Jersey Shore

Mitchell and Karen, good points.  When I talk to people in foreign countries about the 2000 election and explain what happened and I end the explanation with..."oh, by the way, the Governor of Florida is George Bush's brother."  They look at me and seem to ALWAYS make references to a 'banana republic."

May 11, 2012 05:40 AM