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How Much Can You Save / Short Sales And REO’s

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Services for Real Estate Pros with The Real Estate Investment Institute 1retiredsage

 

 

 

How Much Can You Save / Short Sales And REO’s

I originally published this back in February of 2008 it may still be informative to many. Buying short sales remains exotic, confusing many agents and totally baffling most consumers.

 

If you're hoping for a number, you can stop reading, I can’t tell you.

If you are hoping to steal the property, you can stop reading, it won’t happen.

If you're hopping to buy the property for 50% of current market value, you can stop reading. If you’re hopping to buy it for 50% of what it once sold for, you’re foolish only today’s market value is relevant.

If you're hopping to wait and buy the property for less direct from the bank you can stop reading, it won’t happen.

The first thing you need to understand, is that banks only accept short sales when they believe it is in their best interest! Banks do not voluntarily accept losses. Banks will try to limit their losses.

 

So what can you expect, what should you offer. The answer is simple, but not numeric! Except to pay current market value of the property, less the antisapated cost of foreclosure and sale by the bank and a "fudge factor!" This "fudge factor" covers the cost that will accrue in addition the cost of foreclosure and sale, if the bank has to take the property.

 

If you attempt a purchase requiring a short sale at ridiculously low prices your chances of success are unlikely.

If a seller accepts an unrealistically low offer for submission to the bank, they may well lose the house and incur considerably more expense and credit problems.

With the banks taking as long as they do to rule on short sale offers the seller may not have time to find another buyer. Make sure your offer is reasonably close to current market value.

There is an ignorant school of thought that says wait until the "auction" or until the bank owns the property this is a fallacy! A bank with an REO, Real Estate Owned, non-business property owned by the bank, has already incurred both the cost of foreclosure and the previously unknown "fudge factor," cost that they might have discounted in a short sale. Once a bank is in title you can now expect to pay full current market value!

Historically, it was possible to get banks to discount their REO's, but not today. With so many foreclosures banks with many mortgages in any given subdivision and several REO's, can't discount them. If the bank accepts an offer below current market value, that sale becomes a comparable for the rest of their REO's in that market lowering the property values of the remaining properties and those similar homes of their other customers!

(We use to teach the same thing about new homes. For a Builder, like today’s banks to accept a low offer is self-defeating! But, when the need to sell is great they often accepted large if not huge concessions. Today’s banks may well grant such concessions when they have a large number of REO’s.)

One final thought on what to offer. To you, today's buyer, the value of the properly you are considering has nothing to do with what the seller paid for it 1,2,3,4, 5 or 6 years ago!

Posted by

Bill

William J Archambault Jr

The Real Estate Investment Institute

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Comments(12)

Laura Murray
Weichert - Silver Spring, MD
Search Montgomery Co., MD for homes www.MDRealEstateOnline.com
Again and again the idea that banks are not giving away houses has to be reinforced. When I was new to this game I made hundreds, yes hundreds of offers, I assumed it was just a numbers game. Wrong, banks are selling houses based on either their value or what is owed on them. There are gifts.
Aug 06, 2012 11:37 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Laura,

"or what is owed on them."  That's a rare or even illegal scenario. In the rare case of a seller having equity at the time of foreclosure the Banks are normally required to attempt to get market value and return the difference, I haven't heard of it happening in the last 10 years, but...

Bill

Aug 06, 2012 11:51 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices

Bill - theoretically it is all true, but in reality there are tons of variations. Because the Seller is not supposed to get any money from the short selling their property, the price is not a huge factor for them. But we see people who blatantly defaulted, and they are getting $3K from HAFA and $20K from Chase. How come? If the Bank was not to lose money, why are they giving $20K away?

Unfortunately we still see a lot of cases where the banks do lose a lot of money and often through the "brilliant" work of REO agent. Seems like Asset Managers are ranking agents by the speed, not the maximum value, and agents often know that they are not going to be holding that lisitng for long, so they come with 50% of the last sale value and banks do it right and left.

There is a lot of manipulation

Aug 06, 2012 05:17 PM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Jon,

Banking is highly regulated, a lose can be written off one to one against profits and profits are huge.

On the other hand a bad loan on the books limits them from making several additional loans profitable loans.

That doesn't make sence, but it is the way it is.

Bill

Aug 06, 2012 07:50 PM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Bill, excellent blog, and I hit the suggest button.  The following statement that you made summed it all up for me:

"banks only accept short sales when they believe it is in their best interest! Banks do not voluntarily accept losses. Banks will try to limit their losses."

Aug 07, 2012 08:48 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Thanks George!

I don't understand those that think they are entitled to the banks money. It's such a simply concept: Banks settle when they believe it's cheaper than the alternative.

There are many good bankers, but no benevolent or philanthropic ones.

Bill 

Aug 07, 2012 09:18 AM
Charles Stallions
Charles Stallions Real Estate Services - Pensacola, FL
850-476-4494 - Pensacola, Pace or Gulf Breeze, Fl.

Great post and simple to understand hopefully we have figured it out by now.

Aug 07, 2012 01:42 PM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Charles,

Thank you.

There is more understanding every day, but still many can't see beyond a sense of entitlement.

Bill

Aug 07, 2012 01:48 PM
Satar Naghshineh
Satar - Amiri Property and Financial Services Corp. - Irvine, CA

This is within my area of expertise.

Banks want close to market value. That is true. However, how does a bank determine "market value"? They send out an appraiser, BPO, drive-by BPO or some type of internal evaluation to determine market value.

In real estate, there are low comps, average comps and high comps. If the BPO gets the low comps and gives it's perceived value based on those comps AND you come a certain percentage below those comps, then chances are your offer will get accepted. We are not even taking contractor's bids to improve value here!

The percentage below low comps you offer is based on price point.

Aug 08, 2012 10:49 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Satar,

Agreed.

Bill

Aug 08, 2012 11:02 AM
Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

William, great information on short sales, and agreed - they can be a mixed bag.     If you don't have an end date in mind, it may work for a buyer!

Aug 08, 2012 10:44 PM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Thanks Joan.

Bill

Aug 08, 2012 11:11 PM