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It's A Full Doc World, and I'm A Full Doc Girl.

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Mortgage and Lending with Guaranteed Rate NMLS# 2611 NMLS #208860

paper No, I'm not really a girl.  I think I had a Madonna song stuck in my head.  But the heart of my title is this: Lenders are slowly squeezing loans back into the full doc box.  If you haven't heard, no doc loans are gone (other than hard money).  In fact, any loan with the word NO in it is virtually becoming extinct.  Even Stated Income loans are being scrutinized to death.

Case in point.  Had a borrower with 780 credit, plenty of assets, and a perfect mortgage history.  I chose a Stated Income/Asset product to make life easier on my client as she has 3 jobs and is attending school.  She works at a gym and I went to Salary.com and printed out the bell curve showing average pay for her position.  I stated an extremely reasonable income on the loan application and sent the package in to a very large, well-known lender.  Days later, they declined my loan.  They felt my income was too high.  I spoke with the underwriter to get an explanation and she told me that they had the prerogative to change my loan to full doc at any time and they were requesting paystubs and tax returns to substantiate an income that they felt was too high.  My borrower was going out of the country for 2 months and this wasn't possible, so we tabled the refinance until March.

From what I understand, limited documentation loans developed out of a need for speed.  Lenders could do more loans in less time if they didn't have to sift through hundreds of pages of income and asset docs.  Borrowers with great credit and a strong balance sheet were rewarded and so were the investors buying these high-quality loans.

Like anything in life, the pendulum swung to the far left, and stated income loans became easier to get than a fishing license.  Now the pendulum is swinging back to the far right and we are headed for the "old days" when you had to prove your income, assets, and job history.  And, you have to have equity in a property or the ability to put money down on a purchase.  Underwriting turn times will slow down and we need to be ready for that.

Is it right?  Doesn't matter.  The end investor is running far away from these loans.  Fannie Mae can't sell them.  So they are going, going, gone.  It will affect everyone's business in the real estate market.  Beware of any loan that isn't full doc and know the risks.  Anyone who says they can get these loans done all day is living in a gingerbread house.  So yes, I'm turning into a full doc girl, I mean, guy.  I will colect tax returns, paystubs, W2 forms, business licenses, 401K statements, and everything else.  That is, until the pendulum swings back.

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Lu Kalaj
Vision Realty Centers - Brighton Township, MI
Cute, very cute.  I agree we are "headed for the "old days".  Its because of the dishonesty factore.  Like paper vs. electronic.  We'll never get away from paper.  And its because of the "TRUST" factor.  May 2008 be filled with trustworthy contacts.  God Bless.  Lu
Jan 16, 2008 01:48 AM
Matthew J Blum - (retired from the business)
Palm Beach Gardens, FL
Mike, The problem you had going stated was that she was not Self Employed.  That is very hard to get done today.  Lets face facts it really should not be that hard if you where at a gym to prove your income unless she was trainer and got paid cash.  In that case you would have to see if she could prove self employed as a trainer.  By the way the song was not cyndi lauper it was Madonna.. Oh my! I am getting old and how did I know that one?..
Jan 16, 2008 02:01 AM
Jeff Fullmer
FM Properties - Idaho Falls, ID
Real Estate Investor/Financier

Hey Mike, I can't imagine going from the subprime world to the way things are now. I am glad we never did any subprime and have always stuck with A and some B paper. Subprime will return (with a different look) but not for a few years, you are right about the pendulum. All one has to do is look at the ARM loan rates to see that 3 and 5 year confidence is not very high!

Jan 16, 2008 02:09 AM
Richard Sweum
1st Security Bank - Everett, WA

You could have chose the Billy Joel song, "uptown girl" then you wouldn't be suffering gender identity confusion Mike!  "It's full doc loan, and I'm living in in a full doc world." 

Fun times!

Jan 16, 2008 02:23 AM
Mike Tullio
Guaranteed Rate NMLS# 2611 - Sarasota, FL
VP of Mortgage Lending

Lu.  You hit the nail on the head.  Dishonesty ruined a lot.  We need to rebuild trust in the lending world and we have a way to go.  Well wishes for you and your business this year.

Matthew.  I hear you.  Borrower worked at a gym and 2 restaurants so there were a lot of moving parts and with her credit score, fast & easy seemed the way to go.  Like you said, I should be ready to prove the things I submit.  And thanks for the Madonna correction.  Guess you're a full doc girl too for knowing that!

Jeff.  I hear ya.  The folks that kept their noses clean are coming out smelling pretty good right now.  The big lesson is learning to say NO.

Jan 16, 2008 02:24 AM
Mike Tullio
Guaranteed Rate NMLS# 2611 - Sarasota, FL
VP of Mortgage Lending
Rich.  Nicely played!  That would've been a more manly choice by far.
Jan 16, 2008 02:26 AM
Jeff Fullmer
FM Properties - Idaho Falls, ID
Real Estate Investor/Financier

Oh, its easy to say no Mike. We are getting very good at it and will only get better! = )

No is better then, "I am not sure- let me get you a pre-approval letter and then deny you in two weeks." That seems to be going on a lot right now.

Jan 16, 2008 02:33 AM
Mike Tullio
Guaranteed Rate NMLS# 2611 - Sarasota, FL
VP of Mortgage Lending
Jeff.  OK, that last comment made me laugh.  How true.  Our reputations hinge on our ability to say no at the right times.  I do get plenty of "fall-out" calls on loans that went bad and now they're hoping I can atch them up.
Jan 16, 2008 02:40 AM
James Hershiser
RELC, Inc. - East Irvine, CA
Loan Officer for RELC, Inc.

So true, Mike.  In fact, there is a very real possibility that SISA loans may soon be gone entirely in California, at least in the short term: stay tuned.

 

 

Jan 16, 2008 08:09 AM
Jackie - computer-training-atlanta.com
770.498.7333 - Atlanta, GA
Learn to leverage technology to get more done.
Mike. Unfortunately, subprime and Alt-A loans were all lumped in the same bucket as a result of this so-called "mortgage meltdown."  As a results, borrowers with a proven track record of responsible behavior cannot get financed.  The pendelum will swing back.
Jan 17, 2008 01:55 PM
Mike Tullio
Guaranteed Rate NMLS# 2611 - Sarasota, FL
VP of Mortgage Lending

James.  Wouldn't be surprised if almost all SISA loans disappear by the end of the year.  At the very least, you'll have to be under 80% LTV.  Get those tax returns ready, right?

Jackie.  Another great comment.  It rains on the just and the unjust alike.  Helping people get into homes just became an Olympic event.  I'm practicing my triple axle right now!

Jan 17, 2008 02:36 PM